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Gallup Poll Once Again Contains GOP Sample Bias (Check out Gallup weighting of 2004)
theleftcoaster.com ^ | Sunday :: Oct 17, 2004 | Steve Soto

Posted on 10/14/2008 11:02:58 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares

According to the internals I just received from Gallup, they over sampled once again for Republicans in their latest poll. The LV sample they used for that hard-to-believe 8% lead for Bush sure enough had 3% more Republicans than Democrats, and the RV sample had 2% more Republicans than Democrats.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008polls; mccain; obama; polls
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This guy was complaining about 3% weighting advantage for republicans in Oct 2004.

Ended up it was 37 vs 37 in 2004.

Most all the polls are weighting dems 6-14% advantage in 2008 if I have been keeping track.

Honestly, how can anyone take these polls serious with that extreme of over sampling of dems????

1 posted on 10/14/2008 11:02:59 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Names Ash Housewares

The latest NYSlimes and cBS poll has the Dems weighted at 37.47%, the Indies @ 33.3%, and the little Repubs @ 29.15%

Oh, they show Obama with a 14% lead 53% to 39%.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/oct08b-politics.pdf


2 posted on 10/14/2008 11:11:52 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
The latest NYSlimes and cBS poll has the Dems weighted at 37.47%, the Indies @ 33.3%, and the little Repubs @ 29.15%

Since when did we become a third party? That poll is pure balogna.

3 posted on 10/14/2008 11:14:01 PM PDT by babydubya1981 (Homeschooling Moms for McCain/Palin 08)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

And here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/14/opinion/polls/main4522273.shtml


4 posted on 10/14/2008 11:14:16 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Honestly, how can anyone take these polls serious with that extreme of over sampling of dems????

They can't.

These polls are so obviously skewed that the only possible reason for releasing them is to depress Republican turnout.

It is also wise to remember that the pollsters are usually hired by media companies who have a vested interest in keeping the race close, so they can get political ad buys from both sides until the bitter end.

They're worthless, in other words.

5 posted on 10/14/2008 11:14:23 PM PDT by JennysCool (There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and the polls.)
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To: JennysCool

These polls could have the reverse effect of depressing Rat turnout.

If anyone thinks there is a lack of enthusiasm on our side, just look at Palin’s rallies.

The world will be shocked Nov. 5th to see a McCain victory.


6 posted on 10/14/2008 11:33:59 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Red Steel; babydubya1981
How does taking a smaller percentage of Republicans affect the fact that among Independents, it's 53% Obama/39% McCain, as opposed to before the last debate when the gap was 3%?

And when you look at Pennsylvania, for example, it's hard to ignore the SurveyUSA polling that indicates 1 in 5 Republicans is going for Obama. Plus, Republican registration has actually DROPPED by 28,000+ since last year, while Democrats have increased by more than half a million! "Statewide, Democrats outnumber Republicans by nearly 1,170,000 voters. The margin a year ago was about 638,000."

Colleagues of mine believe Sen. McCain is throwing the election, based on his mediocre performance and half-hearted attacks that come across as "angry old man" rather than delivering knockout blows. Squandering the only chance to talk to the electorate without the MSM filter (debates), he has put himself deeply in the hole--regardless of sampling bias. He MUST hit hard now.

7 posted on 10/15/2008 12:15:43 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

He isn’t throwing the election. He just can’t decide whose advice to take. He changes the direction of the campaign every other day which is making him appear wishy-washy with voters. He should just make a decision and stick to it. At least Sarah is consistent with her message.


8 posted on 10/15/2008 1:54:25 AM PDT by jackinbox
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To: Retired Greyhound
The world will be shocked Nov. 5th to see a McCain victory.

Jennings will rise from the grave to declare it a Hissy fit.

9 posted on 10/15/2008 2:05:38 AM PDT by leadhead (I carry a gun because it's lighter than carrying a cop.)
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To: JennysCool
With all the phony baloney Democrat voter registrations being turned in, it's only natural that the pollsters would weight Democrats more in their polls, because according to the states, they have all these fictitious Democrats.

The only good part would be that (hopefully) most of those fake voters wouldn't actually be able to vote, but it does skew what the pollsters use for their "fudge factors", definitely.

The pollsters will only "clarify" their obvious error after the fact.

The only poll that matters anyway is the one that takes place on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November.

10 posted on 10/15/2008 3:38:32 AM PDT by MPB
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Hmmm.

Registered Democrats, as in, ACORN registered Democrats.

There is no way to even guess what the real percentage of Dems is.

11 posted on 10/15/2008 3:42:15 AM PDT by XHogPilot
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To: Names Ash Housewares; RikaStrom; xsmommy; tioga
If Barry O. thinks he's winning in a landslide, then how come he is still deploying his ACORN thugs from coast to coast to steal electoral votes (in plain sight, no less)?

Some element of the mainstream media is involved in almost every one of the polls - and we KNOW what their mission is - so they cannot be considered reliable.

Nonetheless, McCain needs to do some serious testicle-kicking tonight.

12 posted on 10/15/2008 3:42:36 AM PDT by TheGrimReaper (NObama.)
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To: XHogPilot
How many of these “new” democrat registrations are really going to vote democrat?

In my state, in the primary (Feb 4th), both my wife and I took a dem ballot and voted for Obama as opposed to our usual case of taking a Republican ballot. Why?

Well for one, our choice, Fred Thompson was already out. The remaining candidates: Guiliani, Huckabee, McCain and Romney, did nothing for us. My state was projecting Huckabee to win. We both absolutely hate the Clintons, and at the time, she was the already coronated winner. So we voted Obama to “throw a monkey-wrench in the gears” of the dems primary. We were not the only ones to do this. Many, many conservative friends of ours confessed to the same.

After this Rush started Operation Chaos. Then the voting for either Obama or Hillary really took off. In my state we have open voting. You simply select the ballot of the party you want to vote for. Other states required registering.

Perhaps (and we'll never really know) millions of Republicans voted in the dem primaries for the same reason we did. Remember that McCain had sewed up the primary contest months before the dems did.

13 posted on 10/15/2008 3:54:04 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Let’s not overlook the fact that the article linked to had Bush ahead. The lib was whining because Republicans were over sampled and that Kerry was actually ahead. Turns out Bush did win. Gallup was right; and they may very well be right today.

This election has some real curve balls in it. Gen Y is entering the fray in record numbers, first black candidate, Bradley effect, etc. That is why the polls are all over the board, but one thing they all agree on, Obama is ahead.

McCain has been all over the board, has no consistent message and frankly, is running a campaign reminiscent of Kerry. Tonight is McCain’s last chance to find a groove and connect with voters. Voters have to be given a reason to vote *for* him.


14 posted on 10/15/2008 4:08:38 AM PDT by IamConservative (On 11/4, remember 9/11...)
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To: Gondring

“1 in 5 Republicans is going for Obama”

How could anyone take a stat like that seriously ?


15 posted on 10/15/2008 4:10:15 AM PDT by major-pelham
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To: IamConservative
McCain has been all over the board, has no consistent message

McCain has consistently said he is going to cut pork barrel spending, cut corporate taxes, give a $5,000 health credit to families, support traditional marriage and continue the WOT. So I don't know how you can say he's not consistent.

It's the other guy who's flip-flopped all over the place.

16 posted on 10/15/2008 4:26:05 AM PDT by what's up
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To: leadhead
"Jennings will rise from the grave to declare it a Hissy fit."

He won't be the only one:


17 posted on 10/15/2008 4:52:47 AM PDT by The G Man (The NY Times did "great harm to the United States" - President George W. Bush 6/26/06)
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To: major-pelham

The actual percentage of REGISTERED Republicans that will vote for Obama is at or below 5%. The actual percentage of conservatives or conservative-leaning Republicans who will vote for Obama is 0%.


18 posted on 10/15/2008 4:53:38 AM PDT by flintsilver7
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To: what's up
McCain has consistently said he is going to cut pork barrel spending, cut corporate taxes, give a $5,000 health credit to families, support traditional marriage and continue the WOT. So I don't know how you can say he's not consistent.

The vast majority of voters who are undecided don't know what a $5,000 tax credit on health benefits means to them. Not nearly as effective as the "change Washington" and "we can't afford 4 more years." The A, B and C students have in large part decided who they are going to vote for. The Obama ads paint him as the conservative in this race and he is winning at the moment.

19 posted on 10/15/2008 5:16:26 AM PDT by IamConservative (On 11/4, remember 9/11...)
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To: major-pelham
>>“1 in 5 Republicans is going for Obama”

>How could anyone take a stat like that seriously ?

By working call banks and hearing Republicans tell you that themselves, along with having Republican neighbors and colleagues say the same.

It's not like it's unexpected. The loathing of George W. Bush has led many PA Republicans to switch parties (on call banks in 2004, I would often get an earful from angry Republicans), meaning that while Dem registrations have skyrocketed, the GOP registrations are actually going DOWN overall, despite registration drives.

20 posted on 10/15/2008 5:53:24 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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