Posted on 09/27/2008 2:36:21 PM PDT by dascallie
Over at the HC forum, they are advocating this idea since there is great distrust that the MSM will spin the details THEIR way--and a 24 hr posting before signing will allow citizen striking of the ACORN provision and other offending goodies.
Hillaryclintonforum.com
(Posted by) Sandy in PA
(9/27/08) PA Senator Arlen Specter Requests Final Bailout Proposal Be Put on the Internet for Review By the People Before Any Voting In a letter to the members of Congress running the negotiations, Arlen Specter is requesting that the people be allowed to view the final proposal b putting in it on the internet for a minumum of 24 hours prior to the vote to avoid pork being slipped in:
Quote: U.S. Senator Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) today wrote to members of the administration and congress who are involved in the negotiations on a proposal to deal with the economic crisis.
In the letter, Senator Specter urges the participants to consider several items, including: lending federal funds with senior security as opposed to having federal government buy toxic securities (similar to the AIG model); giving Congress a detailed explanation as to how the $700 billion figure was determined; providing adequate time for due deliberation because of the associated risks when Congress does not follow regular order; and making the final proposal available to the public on the internet for at least 24 hours in advance of votes.
“We have a duty to the American people to act responsibly to address the problem, protect the taxpayers, and take every measure to ensure that this does not happen again,” Specter writes in the letter. HERE IS THE LETTER:
Quote: September 27, 2008 Secretary of the Treasury Henry Paulson Chairman of the Federal Reserve Ben Bernanke Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi House Republican Leader John Boehner Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell Chairman Christopher Dodd Ranking Member Richard Shelby Chairman Kent Conrad Ranking Member Judd Gregg Chairman Barney Frank Ranking Member Spencer Bachus Senator Bob Bennett
Gentlemen and Speaker Pelosi:
I write with some suggestions on the prospective legislation to deal with the economic crisis and to urge you to take the time necessary to give appropriate consideration to it without rushing to judgment. In the past week, I, like many members, have been reaching out to economists and other experts and have had suggestions coming in from economists and other experts, as well as listening to the suggestions made by other members of Congress.
I urge you to consider lending federal funds with senior security as opposed to having the federal government buy toxic securities. The AIG model could be used. The obvious difficulty for the federal government to go into the market to buy toxic securities is the difficulty in assessing realistic value in the absence of a market. With a lending approach, the government is likely to be able to have lesser expenditures with a better chance of repayment. I further urge a real consideration to the proposals made by House Republicans for an industry-financed insurance program for mortgages which are in default.
As to the overall figure of $700 billion, Congress should have a detailed explanation as to how at which that figure was arrived and the necessity for such a large sum. I favor the proposal to have the federal funds advanced in installments. Consideration should be given to having the first installment less than the $250 billion as currently proposed. On additional installments, it is a good idea to require a presidential certification with the legislation specifying standards which the President should use.
On the stipulation to give Congress to the option to object to the final $350 billion, care must be exercised not run afoul of the Supreme Court decision in INS v. Chadha which requires following regular legislative process with passage by both houses and presidential approval to overrule presidential action and perhaps inferentially legislative conditions.
In a letter dated September 21, 2008 I wrote to Majority Leader Reid and Minority Leader McConnell urging that we not rush to judgment. Many have argued that the situation is so dire that there must be immediate Congressional action in order to avoid a cataclysmic result in the market. My view, as expressed in my letter to Secretary Paulson and Chairman Bernanke on September 23, 2008, is that dire consequences are not likely to result if it is seen that the Congress is moving as fast as practicable to enact a serious, substantial program since there is a solid consensus that some major government aid must be and will be forthcoming.
On September 19, 2008, there were predictions of dire consequences if legislation was not passed by September 26th. The Dow declined by 2.15% from September 19th from 11,388.44 to September 26th to 11,143.13. During this time, there was no major deviation from September 19th: 9/22 – down 3.27%; 9/23 – down 1.47%; 9/24 – down .27%; 9/25 – up 1.82%; 9/26 – up 1.1%. It is noteworthy that the market ended on a positive note at the end of the week, even though Congress had not passed legislation.
I urge time for due deliberation because of the risks when we do not follow regular order. For those who are not acquainted with the details of the legislative process, there should be a focus on the institutions of Congress which have served this nation so well for more than 200 years. The legislative process begins, as we all know, with the introduction of a bill. As yet, we do not have in writing the traditional starting point, a bill which we can study and analyze. Next there are hearings on the bill with testimony from its proponents. Then the committee of jurisdiction listens to opponents or those with other ideas and all the witnesses are subject to questioning, really cross examination, by members of the committee.
Then the committee sits in what is called a markup going over the proposed legislation line by line with votes on suggested changes. A committee report is then filed and the measure is called for floor action in each house with debate and opportunity for amendments. The bills passed by each house are then subjected to a conference where further refinement is made before the legislation is presented to the president.
When we depart from regular order, we are on very risky ground. I am not suggesting that this full time-consuming legislative process be followed; but we should take great care in the consideration of this legislation to compensate as much as possible for the departure from regular order.
I pass on, for your consideration, an idea proposed by former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich who suggests that the final proposal be put on the internet for 24 hours. Speaker Gingrich suggests, and I concur, that such a proposal would be read by thousands if not millions of people who could then inform the Congress of provisions which are so often slipped into legislation unbeknownst to the members and further give us appraisals of unintended consequences.
As already noted, I wrote to Secretary Paulson and Chairman Bernanke by letter dated September 23, 2008 (copies enclosed for the additional addressees), not yet answered, which raises questions which I would like to have responded to before I am called upon to vote.
We have a duty to the American people to act responsibly to address the problem, protect the taxpayers, and take every measure to ensure that this does not happen again.
Thank you for your consideration of these suggestions.
Sincerely,
Arlen Specter
If you are contacting your Congressmen, please ask them to support Senator Specter's suggestion.
Thanks.
AWESOME
I’m pretty sure I heard Obama say this last week. His administration would put stuff on the web for 48 hours. They can put it up but most voters won’t be able to dissect and digest it, with all the government double speak. Maybe if they keep it at three pages. Personally, I can’t see this happening, but it should.
Well I’ll be d*mned...
“I thought Rush said yesterday that they were “obliged” to do this under some thing Clinton came up with.”
I heard that too, but remember, when dimocrats don’t wish to follow a law they feel is wrong, they “civilly disobey” it.
Thats SOP. Legislation eminating from the Senate gets published in the Thomas registry for a 5 day perusal Since this is comminmg through the House it doesn’t have to. House Republicans should vote “No” Senate Conservatives should vote “Present” when this bill comes to vote.
Good idea. I heard on Fox earlier theres no way to undo the acorn money. I call Bullchit on that!
Didn’t Sarah say a few days ago she has the entire Alaska state check book on line and would do the same in Washington?
This is just classic CYA.
This thing is so huge that nobody wants to be held accountable for it. Because if it gets passed that thing go bad (even if it would have gone worse without the bill), people who voted for it will get killed. If they do nothing and things go bad, they will also be blame for doing nothing.
So what they want is to have the people themselves to blame.
Yup,.. the biggest thing Dems fear is Daylight shining on their actions as the result will be the villagers storming the castle with torches and pitchforks.
“I thought Rush said yesterday that they were “obliged” to do this under some thing Clinton came up with.”
Yes, called the “Thomas System”. Legislation to be put on the net for review by the public. Might just get some members of Congress to actually READ it too!
14 posted on Saturday, September 27, 2008 5:44:56 PM by seekthetruth
It's at the Library of Congress website- http://thomas.loc.gov/
Great reference source for legislation.
It's not exactly new...
in fact all bills should be like this, 24hrs on the internet before the vote, transperancy and accountability
This is a great idea, and shoul dbe rwquired for all legislation at the federal level. It could eliminate all those expensive staffers, since anybody in the pajama media could find “the skunk in the woodpile” and bring it to public attention.
its a bit different, i think sarah’s alaska idea is to post the bill on the internet for everything that cost more than $1k, after the vote, NOT before it gets voted. This 24hrs idea is an expansion of it, which is a good idea
I rather see it put up to a vote of the people, rather than trust those that were directly involved in creating this disaster.
Arlen is bought and paid for by the same folks who brought us the mess.
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00001604&cycle=2008
Top 5 Contributors, 2003-2008
Blank Rome LLP $232,950
Comcast Corp $108,100
Goldman Sachs $99,100
UPMC Health System $95,750
Kline & Specter $88,350
Top 5 Industries, 2003-2008
Lawyers/Law Firms $2,449,480
Securities & Investment $897,699
Retired $836,445
Real Estate $776,116
Health Professionals $709,050
Career Contributor Total
Blank Rome LLP $395,933
Comcast Corp $161,600
Goldman Sachs $161,350
Amgen Inc $149,499
MBNA Corp $137,500
Kline & Specter $112,100
Wolf, Block et al $111,840
Dechert, Price & Rhoads $105,075
UPMC Health System $102,700
University of Pennsylvania $96,200
Buchanan, Ingersoll & Rooney $86,500
K&L Gates $86,066
Federated Investors Inc $82,400
Reed Smith LLP $78,150
Morgan, Lewis & Bockius $75,450
Air Products & Chemicals Inc $74,350
Blue Cross/Blue Shield $72,610
Wyeth $71,080
Berger & Montague $69,850
Verizon Communications $68,800
Top Metro Areas
PITTSBURGH $3,100,098
NEW YORK $2,359,416
WASHINGTON, DC-MD-VA-WV $2,024,233
SCRANTON—WILKES-BARRE—HAZLETON $928,060
HARRISBURG-LEBANON-CARLISLE $820,897
ALLENTOWN-BETHLEHEM-EASTON $751,937
LOS ANGELES-LONG BEACH $672,130
CHICAGO $498,455
WEST PALM BEACH-BOCA RATON $372,475
Lots of out of town money for a Senator who is SUPPOSED to be representing Pennsylvania.
This is nothing but a ploy by Specter to appear open. 24 hours on the net means nothing, especially when they take their phones off the hook in Washington, as they did during the immigration amnesty attempts.
Get out! Areln SPECTER?!?!
Color me shocked.
His donor list is like a who’s who:
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