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Posted on 09/14/2008 6:15:21 AM PDT by publius1

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To: xsmommy

This is an excellent and plainly understood essay.

I recommend it.


41 posted on 09/14/2008 8:30:04 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: tioga

The Devil’s greatest tool is to get people of faith fighting with each other. Most of the time he must settle for Christian churches attacking each other. However he feels he as really accomplished his goal when he gets members of one church fighting amongst themselves.

The Devil is in the details.

We should claim the right to worship who what how and where we want and respect other’s believes.

We have Obama and the liberal media using the Saul Linsky rule against us. It will take all of us united together to fight it off.

Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. “You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”


42 posted on 09/14/2008 8:38:17 AM PDT by ODDITHER
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To: publius1
Here's what the Catholic vote brings us:

Kennedy (MA), Harkin (IA), Durbin (IL), Dodd (CT), Collins (ME, RINO), Reed (RI), Murray (WA), Landrieu (LA) Leahy (VT), Mikulski (MD), and Biden (DE).

Individual Catholics are the heroes of the pro-life movement.

The organized "Catholic vote", on the other hand, is the backbone of legal abortion in this country.

43 posted on 09/14/2008 9:29:54 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When He rolls up His sleeves, He ain't just puttin' on the Ritz)
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To: publius1

Good video. An RC awakening would have a dramatic effect on the nation.


44 posted on 09/14/2008 9:31:43 AM PDT by Paul_B
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To: Paul_B; tioga; wintertime
The Church is speaking out this year as it has not in prior elections, it seems to me. I posted the link to a sermon I heard 2 weeks ago in Alexandria, VA, above, posted on NRO by someone else who heard it. Today, at my own parish in Falls Church VA,I heard a similar sermon, less scholarly perhaps, but very strong, nonetheless. The priest said there are many issues, but life is THE issue. He said that the "I want abortion to be legal, safe and rare" position is NOT an acceptable Catholic position, that it ATTACKS life. He said there may be reasons to vote for a Pro-abort politician, but at the end of the day [aka Judgment Day] will you be able to look the Lord in the eyes and JUSTIFY IT. He also said, "listen, you KNOW me, you know I don't like being confrontational or adversarial. but I HAVE TO TELL YOU THIS, because I will be held to account on Judgment Day as well and God will want to know why I DID NOT say it.

I can't promise an RC awakening, but I am encouraged by the vehemence with which I am seeing the priests and bishops speak to the issue of life this election season. I have not seen it before and I credit Pope B16 for this change.

45 posted on 09/14/2008 10:55:28 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Mike Darancette

No I’m just a bit wary of making political party membership denominational.


46 posted on 09/14/2008 12:04:54 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: xsmommy

perhaps even the clergy are inspired by Sarah Palin......just a thought. we know PB16 listens closely to the Holy Spirit....perhaps this is the year for God to begin His plan to end abortion.....there are signs.....I pray it happens soon.


47 posted on 09/14/2008 12:13:41 PM PDT by tioga (Obama needs a teleprompter to inform us that McCain can't use a computer./Enterprise 9/13/2008)
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To: RKV

Christians oppose gay marriage and abortion.......the Democratic party embraces both.....you choose.


48 posted on 09/14/2008 12:18:37 PM PDT by tioga (Obama needs a teleprompter to inform us that McCain can't use a computer./Enterprise 9/13/2008)
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To: tioga

Schwarzenegger’s support for gay marriage in CA means the Reps are out too.


49 posted on 09/14/2008 12:24:02 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: RKV

LOL.......california marches to the drum of a different beat........good thing he can’t run for president.


50 posted on 09/14/2008 12:24:57 PM PDT by tioga (Obama needs a teleprompter to inform us that McCain can't use a computer./Enterprise 9/13/2008)
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To: tioga

You can say that again. He’s really hurt the brand.


51 posted on 09/14/2008 12:34:10 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: RKV

yeah, well there are plenty of RINOs floating around the Republican Party and Sarah has turned them inside out......she is the real deal and WE know it.


52 posted on 09/14/2008 12:40:26 PM PDT by tioga (Obama needs a teleprompter to inform us that McCain can't use a computer./Enterprise 9/13/2008)
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To: tioga

She’s not a Catholic and Arnold is. You knew that didn’t you?


53 posted on 09/14/2008 12:43:26 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: RKV

biden, kennedy and pelosi are Catholics, or so they claim. didn’t really think about arnold but it makes sense.


54 posted on 09/14/2008 12:49:12 PM PDT by tioga (Obama needs a teleprompter to inform us that McCain can't use a computer./Enterprise 9/13/2008)
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To: wintertime

You have no way of knowing anything about this priest and his spiritual life. The fact that he reflected at all about the matter discussed with him is a most positive indication of what he is really is.

I am always amazed at the “fiat” that one person can put on another regarding that other person’s inner life and thoughts.

It used to be called “rash judgment” in my Catholic Moral Guidance Book.

But ...my saying so may be a “tad irritating” but “cute”, as you have mentioned about 4 times in your recent posts.

Pax Christi


55 posted on 09/14/2008 12:59:27 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: Scotswife

We Catholics so often forget that we have an obligation to pray for our priests. I am aware, through familial contact with a priest, that their life is more difficult and more sacrificial than the average layman can understand and the more we are committed to pray for them, the stronger and more close to God they will be.

I don’t like to post long and anecdotal accounts to clarify my point here, though I have many; suffice it to say that priests need our prayers, we are obliged to remember them in prayer regardless of what their seminary training was or what their present views may be, and we are to anticipate God’s action and answer to our prayers for His priests. In this way, everyone benefits and God is glorified.

God bless.
ROE


56 posted on 09/14/2008 1:38:52 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: Running On Empty
Well?....Hopefully this young man has turned a corner.

I do wonder about any Catholic ( priest or not) who would need to pray a week about putting the life of an innocent pre-born infant before socialist issues. This young man is definitely in need of the prayers of the faithful.

57 posted on 09/14/2008 9:51:32 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: publius1

New video from CatholicVote.com

Powerful
http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2008/09/new-video-from-catholicvotecom.html


58 posted on 09/14/2008 10:25:10 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: tioga; Scotswife
And here's the list of Bishops that have spoken out against Pelosi, Biden and all other CINOs. There will probably be an updated list tomorrow.

Updated: American Bishops who have spoken against Pelosi

Here is the complete list of American bishops who have responded to Nancy Pelosi's comments so far:
  1. Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver was the first American bishop to respond
  2. ... Bishop James Conley, his auxiliary, joined him
  3. Archbishop Donald Wuerl of Washington DC responded twice, first in a press release and second in a statement to The Hill. He has also appeared on Fox News, I am told.
  4. Cardinal Justin Regali of Philadelphia, chairman of the Committee on Pro-Life Activities, issued this statement through the USCCB website...
  5. ... Bishop William Lori of Bridgeport, chairman of the Committee on Doctrine, joined him
  6. Cardinal Edward Egan of New York publised a strongly worded statement of his own
  7. Bishop Samuel Aquila of Fargo issued a letter correcting Pelosi's claims
  8. Bishop David Zubik of Pittsburgh and...
  9. ... Bishop Michael Sheridan of Colorado Springs have chimed-in
  10. Archbishop Jose Gomez of San Antonio, CNA reports has added his voice ...
  11. ... Bishop Oscar Cantu, his auxiliary bishop, has joined him
  12. Bishop William Murphy of Rockville has published an extensive letter
  13. Bishop Edward Slattery of Tulsa has a detailed response
  14. Bishop Kevin Farrell of Dallas has joined the USCCB's efforts
  15. Bishop Gregory Aymond of Austin is on-board
  16. Cardinal Sean O'Malley of Boston mentions the USCCB on his blog
  17. Bishop Thomas Wenski of Orlando has written at length
  18. Archbishop John Nienstedt of Saint Paul/Minneapolis challenges Pelosi's statement
  19. Cardinal Francis George of Chicago, President of the US Bishops, has weighed-in
  20. Bishop Robert Vasa of Baker, OR publishes in the Catholic Sentinel
  21. Bishop Jerome Listecki of La Crosse, WI responds in a word document
  22. Bishop Richard Lennon of Cleveland, OH will comment in his September 5th column (PDF)
  23. Bishop Ralph Nickless of Sioux City, IA has one of the very best responses I've read
  24. Archbishop George Niederauer of San Francisco has invited Pelosi to a "conversation"
  25. Bishop Nicholas DiMarzio of Brooklyn: "Judging the Candidates"

{Last updated on September 10th.}

Notes:

  • Previous #23 has been removed. Bishop Joseph Gossman of Raleigh, NC is actually the bishop emeritus, and the new bishop, Michael Burbidge has not, to my knowledge, made a personal statement.
  • Previous #16 has also been removed, it was an erroneous duplication of current #13.
  • #26 was added September 10th, although he published his column September 6th

59 posted on 09/14/2008 10:30:17 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Jim Noble
**The organized "Catholic vote", on the other hand, is the backbone of legal abortion in this country. **

You are truly in error here.

enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here

1: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2271  (618 bytes )  preview document matches
1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion,
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2271.htm
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2: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2272  (580 bytes )  preview document matches
2 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2272.htm
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3: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2322  (290 bytes )  preview document matches
2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3),
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2322.htm
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4: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2274  (554 bytes )  preview document matches
gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2274.htm

60 posted on 09/14/2008 10:32:03 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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