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To: Mr. Silverback
"Hmmm...somebody’s ignoring the Congress’ role in our lack or preparedness...and generally making us look like tinfoil hat central."

I think the only real debate since 12/7/41 has been: did FDR and Marshall know in advance of the coming Japanese attack, and if so, did they adequately warn the Pearl Harbor commanders? And if the commanders were warned, did they respond appropriately?

Some things are known beyond dispute. For example, Short and Kimmel did receive a "war warning" in the weeks before December 7, but responded in ways that afterward seem ridiculous. Understanding how and why this happened helps explain "what FDR knew, and when did he know it."

As for the tin foil hats, well, yes, we do have a few of those. But in every case I've seen, wiser voices step in to set the record straight. In this particular case, the record is a good deal more complex than implied by the words, "sneak attack."

42 posted on 09/11/2008 5:06:15 AM PDT by BroJoeK (A little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK

And yet, we still have the idea at the core of it all that FDR believed the Congress would not declare war without a devestating defeat and major loss of life.

That alone requires a Reynolds Wrap beannie.


43 posted on 09/11/2008 7:08:18 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Bac Mac.******)
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To: BroJoeK; LS
Some things are known beyond dispute. For example, Short and Kimmel did receive a "war warning" in the weeks before December 7, but responded in ways that afterward seem ridiculous. Understanding how and why this happened helps explain "what FDR knew, and when did he know it."

You are accusing Short and Kimmel of murdering 3,000 of their men. You need to have some serious evidence to back such a thing up.

I particularly enjoy the ideaof the "expected surprise attack" that wouldn't have been a surprise, because Japan's declaration of war was supposed to be delivered before the bombs started falling.

51 posted on 09/11/2008 12:35:04 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Bac Mac.******)
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