Posted on 09/09/2008 3:47:30 PM PDT by Zakeet
Oh no! The polls! They suddenly don't look good for Barack Obama! But does it really matter at this point? Should the campaignand its supportersstart to panic? We checked in with two Democratic strategists who have different opinions on the situation. Here's the case for pessimism.
The jobless rate is up, home sales are down, and the Democrats have an appealing, history-making nominee. So that rash of McCain red, spreading like measles over the RealClearPolitics.com polling chart, is nothing to worry abouta temporary Republican sugar high, right?
Not so fast. Yes, this year's trends should favor the Democrats, with a poor economy and an unpopular Republican president. But we can't ignore how much the underlying landscape always favors the Republicans.
Sunday night, USA Today released a shocking poll that puts McCain four healthy points above 50%, leading Obama by 54%-44%, with only 2% undecided. Six other polls have McCain narrowly ahead or tied; none has Obama leadinga sharp reversal from last week.
If you hide behind electoral maps or statistical projections at your favorite number-crunching site, and ignore the national polls because "it's 50 state elections," you'll be lulled by projections based on weeks-old data, often conducted by middling polling operations. And you'll miss what's happened.
This election just flipped.
(Excerpt) Read more at radaronline.com ...
Peter Feld is a writer and long-time Democratic strategist.
More good information in the article.
McCain is 73 years old and is a melanoma survivor. Voters wonder if his would be an abbreviated Presidency.
With the selection of Governor Palin, he has turned that possibility into an asset.
I was sitting in my office at work a little while ago, thinking about the momentum that McCain has captured, and thinking that now it’s going to take something out of the ordinary to arrest it. Obama knows it, too.
The obvious hit me; there’s no need to speculate on whether or not Biden get’s dumped and Hillary get’s added to the ticket. It WILL happen. Not that I think it necessarily spells disaster for the McCain campaign. But I fully expect it now. It’s the only way they can hope to stop this thing that is just about to get away from them.
Obama is a former smoker, and his parents died young. What if Biden were just a heartbeat away ....?
And an even more unpopular Congress.
It will never happen.
I don’t think Hill would take it.
Even if B.O. steals this election in the dead of night, he will have at least half the country hating him for this remark for the next 4 very long years.
But the problem isn't only Obama himself, it's those around him who live in the same bubble, who think a good way to connect with average American voters is to stage a mass rallymore than double the size of Obama’s largest U.S. crowdin a foreign country.”
Welcome to the real world, bubble boy.
“The obvious hit me; theres no need to speculate on whether or not Biden gets dumped and Hillary gets added to the ticket. It WILL happen.”
Personally, I don’t think Mrs. Clinton is dumb enough to go along with this. She wants to be President, not VP. Her best chance at this is to let Obama lose. Then she can go head to head with McCain or maybe Palin in 2012. If Obama loses, he will go on the scrap heap of history...he will be through as a politician. I wouldn’t even expect him to run for reelection in the Senate.
The problem is that doing it is a sign of great weakness in the candidate for POTUS. When they dumped Eagleton it was because he had been nuts and electro shocked out of it. That had nothing to do with McGovern. If they Eagleton Slow Joe it will highlight the very lightweight top of the ticket. They’d probably win, but what good would that do Hillary. Would she slowly vegetate while the haloed one ran the country?A loss after a wooing to join the ticket, in private of course, sets her up for the contest with Saraccuda in 2012.Hillary’s ego tells her she’ll win. No, she sits this one out. The Dems dance with the ones that brung them, as Al McGuire always said.
You think Obama has a death wish?
That was cruel and cold,
and I agree with your observation.
McCain just turned 72 a few weeks ago, and his mom is 96.
Clinton would be stupid to do. It would make her look weak
to cave in to them after the way they treated her and she
would forever be associated with Obama , the biggest loser
since ... Dukakis. She has her eyes on 2012.
“The problem is that doing it is a sign of great weakness in the candidate for POTUS. When they dumped Eagleton it was because he had been nuts and electro shocked out of it. That had nothing to do with McGovern. If they Eagleton Slow Joe it will highlight the very lightweight top of the ticket. Theyd probably win, but what good would that do Hillary. Would she slowly vegetate while the haloed one ran the country?A loss after a wooing to join the ticket, in private of course, sets her up for the contest with Saraccuda in 2012.Hillarys ego tells her shell win. No, she sits this one out. The Dems dance with the ones that brung them, as Al McGuire always said.”
Your logic is sound. But I think she won’t be able to resist the temptation to come in and save the ticket, right now. Her ego will be torn. It’s incredibly hard to walk away from the spotlight for these people, even in a calculated way. And if she comes in as the VP candidate, and they lose anyway, I don’t know that she’s any worse off for 2012 than if she sits out. In fact, I’m sure the dem numbers will improve with her on the ticket, and she can point to that as an indicator of what might have been if she had been the nominee.
“The obvious hit me; theres no need to speculate on whether or not Biden gets dumped and Hillary gets added to the ticket. It WILL happen.”
I agree with SV. This will NOT happen. Too many folks look at Hillary as VP from their own perspective rather than Hillary. If she joins the ticket, it would guarantee an dem win. But why would Hillary want that? Wouldn’t she be far better of gambling that by not joining the ticket, she ensures an Obama defeat? And, imagine just how much she would enjoy saying “Told ya”. She would become the dem nominee in 2012 by acclaimation.
And, consider the balance of power should Obama take Hillary as VP and then win the election. How many times would Hillary demand special power because she won the election for Obama? She would exercise more power than he and that would be unacceptable for Obama.
Bump!
“”Obama is a former smoker, and his parents died young. What if Biden were just a heartbeat away ....?””
Yes, how true. It is also well documented that cocaine and smoking crack (with or without Larry) is very detrimental to the heart and irreparable. Some ER physicians are shocked to discover ‘ 80 yr. old’ hearts in the bodies of young addicts in there 20’s & 30’s. How long did he say he was a drug addict?
If Obama keeps going the way he has been since the conventions, the Democrats may be less interested in the “Eagleton option” and more interested in the “Toricelli option”.
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