No you said “yes”, why don’t we get out of Iraq. What does leaving and victory have to do with each other. Have we lost in Germany and Korea? Wouldn’t it be smarter to have a presence in that area? Why is leaving your defination of victory?? Where else is that the definition of victory??
Let us know how glad you are that we went into Iraq and took out that dictator to give freedom to 25 million people. Come on Mr Conservative, let us know what you think of Iraq.
How did you like his answers at Saddleback where Black Oblack made a complete fool of himself? What do you think of abortion? When does life begin and is abortion murder? What does abortion do to the woman who has an abortion? Are you glad Palin kept her Downs baby? Come on mr conservative, lets talk issues. Do you like Clarence Thomas?
Your hatred of the military comes through with your complete disrespect of McCain’s service. When you spend 5 years tortured nearly to death and offered freedom only to deny it, then you can disregard his service. Until then you can thank God every day he and people like him gave you your right to hate the military. They may think your not a plant, but your attitude says just the opposite. You can’t fake patriotism mr “Conservative”.
Pray for W Mav/Palin and Our Troops
Lay off the personal attacks, huh?
The admin mod has already posted warnings to that effect.
To quote my exact words:
Yes, but if we've won, then it's time to get out.
That's two clauses. I answered yes to your question "You are glad we have won aren’t you??" (post 951). And then, I said: "but if we've won, then it's time to get out." This means that, since we have accomplished our objective of winning, there is very little other reason to stay in Iraq.
Unless...
Have we lost in Germany and Korea? Wouldn’t it be smarter to have a presence in that area?
We won WWII (Germany). Korea was a stalemate, last I checked.
Americans pushed so hard to get the British from maintaining a "presence" (standing armies) on their sovereign territory, post-Revolution, that it's just wrong to impose such a thing on other countries (unless the real goal is to subtly push the notion that "do what we say, or we will effect regime change"). What if the British had maintained a "presence" here after the War of 1812, or various European powers actually interfered (by sending standing armies) with our Civil War?
So, no, I do not want to have "presences" (standing armies with bases) all over the world (i.e. occupying countries). That's a thing that empires do, not republics like ours.
Where else is that the definition of victory??
I never implied that leaving Iraq had anything to do with defining victory. I did say, however, that if we have won, we should leave. It follows that we would be allowing the Iraqis to chart their own course among the nations.
Let us know how glad you are that we went into Iraq and took out that dictator to give freedom to 25 million people.
What has been accomplished is undeniably a good thing, but we must be extremely careful not to lapse into the reasoning that "the ends justify the means." That line can be used to justify all sorts of nefarious ends.
How did you like his answers at Saddleback where Black Oblack made a complete fool of himself?
Believe it or not, but sometimes, I do have other things to do, and I passed on the Saddleback extravaganza.
What do you think of abortion?
Abortion is generally considered as murder.
When does life begin and is abortion murder?
Legally, the individual is recognized at birth. "Life" (the individual) biologically begins at conception, but the exact date and time is hard to track for legal purposes.
What does abortion do to the woman who has an abortion?
All sorts of nasty things. But, I wouldn't know exactly, since I am not a woman.
Are you glad Palin kept her Downs baby?
Yes. But that was still her decision to make.
Come on mr conservative, lets talk issues.
Yes, let's.
Do you favor amnesty for tens of millions of illegals? Do you favor giving up a portion of your paycheck to bail out executives with multi-million dollar salaries at Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, General Motors, and other private enterprises? Do you believe that your children should pay for the trillions of dollars in current U.S. liabilities, including off-balance sheet items? And do you believe in "living wages" or implementing mandatory energy rationing (carbon cap-and-trade)? What about subjugating ourself to the United Nations? or the World Court?
Do you like Clarence Thomas?
Yes.
Your hatred of the military comes through with your complete disrespect of McCain’s service.
And by disrespect, you mean that I dared to question him, since he's so special because he's a POW, right? John McCain's years as a POW are commendable, but what happened after he returned to the U.S. and during his time as a civilian (including his U.S. Senate legislative record) are despicable to say the least.
Oh, and let me ask you this: John Kerry also served in Vietnam. By your logic, we also must show him the same respect and not question him at all, lest we be hypocrites.
The majority of folks in the armed forces are good, honest Americans...but, like the rest of our nation, not everyone in there is that way.
When you spend 5 years tortured nearly to death and offered freedom only to deny it, then you can disregard his service.
So you're saying that I can't question him unless I've been through his exact experiences? Gosh. Then, he's basically untouchable, unquestionable, and unaccountable for any of his actions in the recent past and on into the future, since most of the U.S. population has never been held as a POW in North Vietnam.
Until then you can thank God every day he and people like him gave you your right to hate the military.
Who said that I hate the military?
Oh, you did.
My bad. I love the military. I have friends in the military. The simple existence of our armed forces scares the crap out of most potential enemies around the world and allows the rest of us to sleep soundly at night, go to school, and commute to work.
By the way, why is it that the only people I know who overdo it on the word "hate" are liberals?
They may think your not a plant, but your attitude says just the opposite. You can’t fake patriotism mr “Conservative”.
Blind patriotism (allegiance) to anything is dangerous and foolhardy.
Side note for Alas Babylon! and Morgan in Denver: I have tried to keep this post civil and to debate issues at hand. If you two have any issues with the content of this post, let me know.
“When you spend 5 years tortured nearly to death and offered freedom only to deny it, then you can disregard his service.”
I respect his service in the same way I respect Benedict Arnold’s service prior to selling us out at West Point.
Fwiw, Tim McVeigh served in the Gulf War.