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To: rosenfan
It all seems to boil down to this in the end: you can try to understand the universe through science or through mythology...

You have presented a false dichotomy. No serious person of faith that I know or have heard has suggested that science is useless - or should be ignored.

On the contrary, many (especially the early) scientists were people of faith who took their belief in an ordered universe as the datum from which their science was derived.

Don't you find it interesting that there is so much that is orderly and predictable? And yet there are some that suggest that all this order came from chaos...

123 posted on 08/26/2008 8:05:19 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: jonno

There is a false dichotomy between science and religion, especially the Christian religion. Islam IS anti-science, because expecting order and predictability is heresy (”chaining allah”). Eastern culture is also anti-science, but for different reasons - ancestor worship - you can’t make your own discoveries until you perfect the copying of those that went before you.

There is, however, a dichotomy of initial assumptions, whether you believe in the Creator or in the Grand Accident. All of your interpretation of the evidence will be through this lens.


124 posted on 08/26/2008 8:17:15 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: jonno
You have presented a false dichotomy. No serious person of faith that I know or have heard has suggested that science is useless - or should be ignored.

No serious person of faith is a young earth creationist? Young earth creationism ignores science by definition.

On the contrary, many (especially the early) scientists were people of faith who took their belief in an ordered universe as the datum from which their science was derived.

Don't you find it interesting that there is so much that is orderly and predictable? And yet there are some that suggest that all this order came from chaos...

I'm not speaking of the question of whether or not there's a God. That question is outside the realm of science. I'm speaking of those who try to understand things such as biological diversity or the age of the Solar system through such myths as the Biblical flood or the account in Genesis.

205 posted on 08/26/2008 7:46:36 PM PDT by rosenfan
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