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To: jonno
You have presented a false dichotomy. No serious person of faith that I know or have heard has suggested that science is useless - or should be ignored.

No serious person of faith is a young earth creationist? Young earth creationism ignores science by definition.

On the contrary, many (especially the early) scientists were people of faith who took their belief in an ordered universe as the datum from which their science was derived.

Don't you find it interesting that there is so much that is orderly and predictable? And yet there are some that suggest that all this order came from chaos...

I'm not speaking of the question of whether or not there's a God. That question is outside the realm of science. I'm speaking of those who try to understand things such as biological diversity or the age of the Solar system through such myths as the Biblical flood or the account in Genesis.

205 posted on 08/26/2008 7:46:36 PM PDT by rosenfan
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To: rosenfan

Are you a scientist or do you just play one on some cheesy show on Nick at Nite?


208 posted on 08/26/2008 8:18:18 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Me... I'm ignorant but I do know this; God is our only hope!)
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To: rosenfan
Young earth creationism ignores science by definition.

I'm not speaking of the question of whether or not there's a God. That question is outside the realm of science. I'm speaking of those who try to understand things such as biological diversity or the age of the Solar system through such myths as the Biblical flood or the account in Genesis.

Isn't it rather silly to try separating the idea of God - a creator - from science?

Your argument is akin to someone trying to understand the origin of a cake without ever having seen an oven. And when confronted with the idea, rejects it out of hand - because in their experience, ovens don't exist.

However, If God exists then Genesis is no longer a myth, it is a possibility - an answer. You can't say I'm studying biology, not God - if God is the source of all biology(!)

You might say that you accept that there is a god - just not the one that Genesis describes (he purposely created an illusion - not fair!). But how can you place constraints on a creator (how he is allowed to create)? "Can the pot say to the potter - 'why have you made me this way?'".

The Bible states that there is enough evidence in creation that points to the existence of God - and I for one accept this statement. Logic alone dictates that you don't get get the universe we see, life on this planet - as a result of blind luck and chance.

So you say "I reject Genesis". Well, I reject blind luck and chance. But I also assert that there is enough other truth in the Bible to give meaning and purpose to what we see in this world. The problem - what causes those who "know" - to stumble or at least stop - is that faith is required.

And all I can say is if you don't have faith - ask for it.

God Bless

273 posted on 08/27/2008 3:52:47 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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