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To: metmom
What it comes down to is that you think a God-free statement is the same as an anti-God statement. You're wrong, of course, but I can't decide if you don't know you're wrong or if you know but pretend otherwise for rhetorical purposes. No matter. "Winter Break" is not an atheist holiday. It's just not a Christian holiday. I have friends who are religious but not Christian, and they are glad no one is insisting that they're on Christmas break. You may not care about your fellow citizens' feelings on the matter, but I do.

Besides, the whole premise that evolution is "non-Christian proselytizing" is ridiculous. My son goes to public school in one of the most secular cities in the country. I asked him if his life sciences teachers, in the section on evolution, ever said anything about evolution's implication about the existence of God. He looked at me like I was crazy and said, "Of course not." I think all this fretting about evolutionists promoting anti-God propaganda in the schools is so much self-pitying twaddle.

303 posted on 08/26/2008 11:12:14 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical; metmom
What it comes down to is that you think a God-free statement is the same as an anti-God statement.
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Government sponsored “god-free” schools are **not** religiously neutral.

_ These schools teach children that their religious beliefs, scriptures, and teaching of their church leaders, can, should, and **must** be ignored when evaluating every aspect of human knowledge and culture covered in the curriculum. This is government establishment of the religious belief of those who hold a “god-free” worldview, and active government destruction of the religious beliefs and traditions of those who do believe in God. )

_ It teaches children to have disrespect and disregard for their parents and for the the traditions taught in the home. ( This is hardly a religiously neutral act on the part of the government)

Sometimes I think that people who claim to be “god-free” are deliberately lying when they say innocently claim that atheistic government schools are merely god-free and not anti-God. There are times that I think they are holding their fingers in their ears like little children and yelling “la, la, la,” in an effort to drown out the complaints of those who are religious.

But....It appears from your post that, yes indeed, you simply can not understand that “god-free” is not religiously neutral. Hopefully, we can succeed in helping you understand that it is **impossible** for the education of children to be religiously neutral. “God-free” is not religiously neutral in content or consequences, neither is God-centered.

There really is only one solution: Begin the process of getting government **out** of the education business. Let parents choose a school that upholds their religious worldview. You can choose a godless religious worldview for your son, and those who believe in God can choose schools that best uphold the traditions taught in their homes.

304 posted on 08/27/2008 12:29:25 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical; wintertime

Considering that the vast majority of this nation is Christian in belief and that time and again, most people have said that they would not object to Christianity being present in the schools, there’s no reason for the vociferous minority of God haters to force any mention of God out of the public school system.

If I lived in a country where the majority religion was not the one I practiced, I would not expect them, nor demand of them, to rearrange their culture and society for me. It would be incredibly selfish and immature to do so, as it is of the atheists here. I would consider that part of living in that country. If I sent my kids to those schools, I would expect them to hear about that religion. If I didn’t want them to, I would find somewhere else to go.

Likewise, there’s nothing from stopping the minority atheists who object to hearing about God in school from starting their own atheist God-free schools. They can send their kids there at their own expense, the same as the option that is constantly being offered to Christians.

Atheists can teach their own children that there is no God on their own time outside of school. We don’t need to have the school teaching it. That’s the parents responsibility to teach their beliefs to their children.

They can take the same scrap that’s thrown at Christians. If it’s good enough for Christians, it’s good enough for atheists.


307 posted on 08/27/2008 5:20:43 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

Your critical misunderstanding is that legitimate scientists that see a logical THEORY that answers better the GAPING NONSENSICAL holes of evolution is NOT religious.

Until you can bring yourself to grips with this truth, there’s no point in going back and forth (with any of) you.

It might help you to listen to wintertime, a neutral party. While it’s true there are some extremists on both sides, as things stand, it’s the evolutionists that have to rely on censorship to get their view to stand alone.

www.dissentfromdarwin.org


309 posted on 08/27/2008 6:07:03 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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