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A Teacher on the Front Line as Faith and Science Clash (time to fight force, with force!)
New York Times ^ | August 23, 2008 | AMY HARMON

Posted on 08/24/2008 2:16:12 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

...In February, the Florida Department of Education modified its standards to explicitly require, for the first time, the state’s public schools to teach evolution, calling it “the organizing principle of life science.” Spurred in part by legal rulings against school districts seeking to favor religious versions of natural history, over a dozen other states have also given more emphasis in recent years to what has long been the scientific consensus: that all of the diverse life forms on Earth descended from a common ancestor, through a process of mutation and natural selection, over billions of years.

But in a nation where evangelical Protestantism and other religious traditions stress a literal reading of the biblical description of God’s individually creating each species, students often arrive at school fearing that evolution, and perhaps science itself, is hostile to their faith.

Some come armed with “Ten questions to ask your biology teacher about evolution,” a document circulated on the Internet that highlights supposed weaknesses in evolutionary theory. Others scrawl their opposition on homework assignments. Many just tune out.

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To: Crankologist
I can see I'm gonna have fun on this site.

So much fun you may never leave.

101 posted on 08/24/2008 6:37:26 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Coyoteman
 

Never heard of them, but why am I not surprised that you would rely on the leftists over at Wikipedia to advance your cause? And speaking of leftist kooks, I'm sure your Darwiniac predecessors would be proud of your efforts to advonce the Temple of Darwin on FR.

 

102 posted on 08/24/2008 6:37:40 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: js1138
I'm curious how this all out political war is going to be won. In the field and laboratory, or in the legislature?

Sounds like GGG is advocating going to the mattresses.

103 posted on 08/24/2008 6:38:16 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: From many - one.; GodGunsGuts

Very simple...allow the godless liberals to indoctrinate students from K-12 to the point that now we see liberal godless activist judges preventing kids from entering collegess unless they learn godless darwinism!

godless libs have always known their ideas are failed and this is why they have to hijack the courts to enforce them.

More people are on to them now though!

aclj.org

thomasmore.org


104 posted on 08/24/2008 6:41:48 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: Coyoteman
Sounds like GGG is advocating going to the mattresses.

Must ... not ... post ...

105 posted on 08/24/2008 6:42:35 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: GodGunsGuts
It no longer matters what your side fears, Wiley. Since the Temple of Darwin relies on force to stifle debate, force will be required to reopen the debate. But I must admit, I rather enjoy the thought of you being constantly plagued by your worst fears as this process unfolds.

And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves;

2Tim. 2, v. 24,25

106 posted on 08/24/2008 6:43:32 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Coyoteman
Evilutionists are portrayed as godless. Here's what's going on today at Bill Dembski’s website, posted by his moderator:

And please do me the courtesy of acknowledging that in no case did I use the holy bible (which I consider to be no more than a collection of stories, myths, legends, and largely unverifiable eyewitness accounts created and/or compiled by human authors with human agendas) to support my case in any fashion. My irreligious nature may not be a majority in ID circles but that doesn’t seem to have excluded me from it. Bill Dembski’s co-author in his latest book, Jonathan Wells, who is also a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute, is a Moonie for Pete’s sake. Wells believes some living dude in Korea or somewhere similar named the Reverend Moon is the messiah. It’s hard to imagine a more anti-Christian religion than holding out someone other than Christ as the savior.

These are the folks leading the charge against evilution.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/education/in-the-face-of-an-aspiring-baboon/#comment-294553

107 posted on 08/24/2008 6:45:32 PM PDT by js1138
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To: aposiopetic
“macroevolutionary” is a creationist straw-man. It suggests a lack of knowledge on your part of basic scientific evolution theory.

It also suggests sourcing from creationist websites and not scientific ones.

I will find it difficult to take you seriously if this is the best you can do.

108 posted on 08/25/2008 1:08:04 AM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: Ken H

If you don’t believe Christians should influence the political process, then why bother with FR?


109 posted on 08/25/2008 1:09:20 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
I don’t know about you guys, but I’m tired of laying down for this stuff. I think it’s time we get in the face of the Evos, and not to back down until they are completely crushed politically. We have enough people on our side to squish these losers like a political bug. If they want to FORCE this crap down our childrens throats, then I say we stop arguing with them and give them a taste of their own medicine!

How very Christian of you!

110 posted on 08/25/2008 1:10:18 AM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: guitarplayer1953
Any Evols want to answer these questions?>/i>

I would, but I'd be wasting my time. The fact that you cut and paste creationist talking points that have been refuted ad nauseum suggests you wouldn't pay attention anyway. A man who doesn't know the truth is ignorant. A man that knows the truth and ignores it is a fool.

111 posted on 08/25/2008 1:17:25 AM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: figetyfiggs

“There is no proof that humans evolved from an ape-like ancestor”

Here we present a draft genome sequence of the common chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes). Through comparison with the human genome, we have generated a largely complete catalogue of the genetic differences that have accumulated since the human and chimpanzee species diverged from our common ancestor, constituting approximately thirty-five million single-nucleotide changes, five million insertion/deletion events, and various chromosomal rearrangements. We use this catalogue to explore the magnitude and regional variation of mutational forces shaping these two genomes, and the strength of positive and negative selection acting on their genes. In particular, we find that the patterns of evolution in human and chimpanzee protein-coding genes are highly correlated and dominated by the fixation of neutral and slightly deleterious alleles. We also use the chimpanzee genome as an outgroup to investigate human population genetics and identify signatures of selective sweeps in recent human evolution.


112 posted on 08/25/2008 1:23:28 AM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I have seen many liars for God on FR. You are the first to physically threaten people in the name of Christ.


113 posted on 08/25/2008 1:29:29 AM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: Soliton
==How very Christian of you!

It is VERY Christian of me. The Temple of Darwin fanatics are using the force of government to convert America's children to their godless religion. Therefore, Christians are left with no other choice but to launch an all-out, protracted political campaign to grind the Temple of Darwin into dust. I for one refuse to take these kinds of brazen usurpations lying down, and will do everything in my power to rally Christians to this cause. It's time for a complete separation of Darwinism and state.

114 posted on 08/25/2008 1:31:12 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Can’t you get your kids to church on Sunday? Why should I pay to teach your children your religion?


115 posted on 08/25/2008 1:35:18 AM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: GodGunsGuts
I for one refuse to take these kinds of brazen usurpations lying down, and will do everything in my power to rally Christians to this cause. It's time for a complete separation of Darwinism and state.

Your god must be a very little god if it needs you to protect it. Make sure you feed it so it doesn't die. Homer Simpson used peanuts.

116 posted on 08/25/2008 1:38:48 AM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: Soliton
If Christians utilizing the political process to remove Temple of Darwin proselytizers from our public schools makes you feel physically threatened, so be it.
117 posted on 08/25/2008 1:39:56 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Soliton

==Why should I pay to teach your children your religion?

If the Temple of Darwin cult is removed from our public schools, it won’t cost you a cent.


118 posted on 08/25/2008 1:41:43 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Soliton

That means a lot coming from someone who worships Darwin’s natural selection god. What a crock.


119 posted on 08/25/2008 1:43:48 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
If Christians utilizing the political process to remove Temple of Darwin proselytizers from our public schools makes you feel physically threatened, so be it.

You have made physical threats on this thread. It's a very sad thing to see. FR is always contentious, but threats of violence are against the rules.

SCOTUS has ruled you can't teach Creationism in public schools. If you want to teach Creationism in Public Schools, you will have to pass an amendment to the Constitution

Shooting your mouth off making threats to use force while drinking your PBR is wrong for FR, America, and the Christian faith. Conservatives are Constitutionalists. No "force" is necessary to achieve your goals. Why threaten to use it?

120 posted on 08/25/2008 1:47:53 AM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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