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Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac game over - Warren Buffett's mortgage warning
The Telegraph ^ | 8/22/2008 | James Quinn, Wall Street Correspondent

Posted on 08/22/2008 8:06:17 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

Billionaire investor Warren Buffett declared that the "game is over" for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, as shares in the American mortgage finance houses came under renewed pressure.

Mr Buffett, the celebrated "Sage of Omaha," believes that shareholders in the two mortgage companies look set to be wiped out as the pair attempt to raise more capital.

"They're looking for help. And the scale of help is such that I don't think it can come from the private sector," he said during an interview on business television channel CNBC.

While admitting the two government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) - which together own or control about $5 trillion of American mortgages - "are too big to fail", shareholders "could lose a lot of money."

He went on to claim that the pair "don't have any net worth" and told market-watchers to expect some form of government action soon.

Fannie shares fell 35 cents to $4.50 while Freddie shed 51 cents to $2.65.

The two companies need to refinance $225bn (£121bn) of debt by the end of September, a prospect which looks expensive after both were forced to offer record coupons on relatively small bond issues earlier this week.

Pressure continues to grow for a government bail-out, made possible by Congress last month granting the US Treasury special powers to inject equity and/or debt into either company if needed.

A few insurers holding equity in US mortgage giants could see big losses if a Government takeover wipes out the value of the agencies' common and preferred shares.

"There are a handful (of insurers) that have pretty decent exposure [to Fannie and Freddie equity]," said Ed Keane, a senior financial analyst with New Jersey-based ratings agency AM Best.

However, figures compiled by AM Best also show that US insurers are more heavily

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banks; fanniemae; freddiemac; govwatch
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To: bruinbirdman

I shudder to think.


21 posted on 08/22/2008 9:26:57 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: bruinbirdman

“He went on to claim that the pair “don’t have any net worth..”

Leave it to Buffet, to summarize in 5 words, the root cause of an astronomical financial debacle.


22 posted on 08/22/2008 9:34:44 PM PDT by raj bhatia
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To: bruinbirdman

My Fannie Mae youtube video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2VoJOaDjCc


23 posted on 08/22/2008 9:37:18 PM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: raj bhatia

Disciple of Ben Graham. He only looks at the value of a thing.


24 posted on 08/22/2008 9:37:29 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: muawiyah
Who will she kill and bankrpt next?

Duke. Hopefully.

25 posted on 08/22/2008 10:57:23 PM PDT by On the Road to Serfdom
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To: VanShuyten
So, if I buy now, it goes from your wallet into mine?

No, if you buy now, both your money, his and mine go to the government as their helpful bailout plan wipes out your shares with our money leaving the government with the gain at a later date, you... not so much.

26 posted on 08/23/2008 12:13:17 AM PDT by CBF (It's the law stupid!)
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To: raj bhatia

No kidding. Actually, I think they have a negative net worth. Recent articles expose banks and institutions withholding foreclosed home for sale so as not to deepen the equity crisis already on their books. Were all loses to come to light the melt down would be on - so to speak.


27 posted on 08/23/2008 12:15:21 AM PDT by CBF (It's the law stupid!)
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To: CBF
Were all losses to come to light the melt down would be on

And you think they can be concealed?

No doubt the management of these institutions would continue to take home large bonuses while the government connives in helping to keep their cataclysmically bad judgment from being revealed.

No, CBF. When you have a malignant skin cancer only surgery will work. Bactine and Band-Aids have been proven to have no effect.

28 posted on 08/23/2008 5:49:37 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (America's never won a "war" unless the enemy was named using a proper noun.)
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To: MarkL
"....when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you–when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice–you may know that your society is doomed."

-Francisco D'Anconia in Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged

29 posted on 08/23/2008 5:59:27 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (America's never won a "war" unless the enemy was named using a proper noun.)
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To: bruinbirdman

“Mr Buffett, the celebrated “Sage of Omaha,” “

I could swear he is called the ‘oracle of omaha,’ did this become politically incorrect?


30 posted on 09/06/2008 11:12:24 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: nw_arizona_granny

PING


31 posted on 09/06/2008 11:13:43 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

with wide markets the last few months on many traunches. and that they are not subject to any reporting regulations, there is no tape to review trades on. they are trading with an implicit assumption that they will be guaranteed regardless of fnm/fre and the insurer issues.

I would think explicit events showing that this is so (such as this weekend) only help them overall.


32 posted on 09/06/2008 11:15:16 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: FlyVet

“even with his own bouts with corruption,”

More like bouts of getting caught and having to do the public repentance thing.


33 posted on 09/06/2008 11:16:20 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: MarkL
"Is it possible that socialists in government had purposely set in motion those policies which would have to fail, so that the government could take over the mortgage market in the US? By doing that, the federal government could control the sale of the vast majority of new housing in the US, and could exert additional control over the buyers..."

In effect, after today, the federal government will have formally socialized mortgages in the United States.

.Fannie and Freddie have always had an advantage over the private sector. Congress has just finalized the takeover in law. GSE, Government Sponsored Enterprise, is now government owned. Common stock need no longer apply. Debt and derivatives of F&F are now government bonds.

yitbos

34 posted on 09/07/2008 1:46:52 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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