Posted on 08/21/2008 6:29:23 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
A Schleicher County grand jury today handed down three new felony indictments in the state's polygamist sect investigation, a court clerk said.
Schleicher County District Clerk Peggy Williams said the indictments involve three individuals. It's unclear whether those individuals are new defendants or suspects already charged in the probe.
The identities of those individuals were not immediately available. Neither were the actual charges listed in the indictments.
The grand jury last month indicted six members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
Court hearings for those individuals is scheduled for Sept. 8, authorities said.
The grand jury plans to reconvene on Sept. 23, Williams said.
Sect spokesman Willie Jessop was one of six witnesses subpoenaed today. When asked about his testimony, Jessop told reporters: "We certainly believe there is a God. We believe he will judge all. Those who judge will be judged themselves."
In related action today, a case involving Lloyd Barlow, a physician at the sect's YFZ compound near Eldorado, was transferred to the Schleicher County court system. He is facing three charges of failing to report child abuse, a misdemeanor. He was among the six members of FLDS indicted last month.
Your lumping them all together constitutes persecution. If you claim that Jeffs broke the law and is immoral you would be correct. But when you say that the FLDS are immoral and misguided you are incorrect, unless you can prove that every man women and child of the FLDS is immoral and incorrect.
Using your definition of persecute "to annoy with persistent or urgent attacks" you are persecuting the FLDS. Assuming that any FLDS read any of these threads of course : )
If they read these threads of their own free will, that’s not me persecuting them.
Wrong is wrong and saying so is not persecution; it’s stating the facts.
If they don’t like it, too bad. They can portray themselves as martyrs all they like, but nobody is going to buy their whiny pity party that someone said something they didn’t like; well, almost nobody....
Here was your question.
"Show me where in any law where one can be prosecuted for one’s beliefs."
The Extermination Order was clearly prosecution based on religious beliefs. Your argument fails.
LOL Now you are blaming the victims of your persecution for your persecution of them? You could do Goebbels proud, or been a stellar character in 1984.
May I kindly suggest a book for your reading pleasure? "My Grandfathers Son" by Clarence Thomas. It may change your mind about persecution and prosecution.
Wrong is wrong and saying so is not persecution; it’s stating the facts.
That is correct. Are you stating that the young children of the FLDS are immoral? Unless you are, then you are persecuting them.
I am even more confused now. What does that have to do with this statement from you that is clearly wrong?
How about Jeff’s 14 year old “spiritual bride” who has children.
Since they broke a Law by their beliefs it classifies as prosecution. Here is the Extermination Order.
Missouri Governor Lilburn W. Boggs' Order of Extermination, Missouri Executive Order Number 44, read as follows:
Headquarters of the Militia, City of Jefferson, Oct. 27, 1838.
General John B. Clark:
Sir Since the order of this morning to you, directing you to cause four hundred mounted men to be raised within your division, I have received by Amos Reese, Esq., of Ray county, and Wiley C. Williams, Esq., one of my aids, information of the most appalling character, which entirely changes the face of things, and places the Mormons in the attitude of an open and avowed defiance of the laws, and of having made war upon the people of this state. Your orders are, therefore, to hasten your operation with all possible speed. The Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the state if necessary for the public peace--their outrages are beyond all description. If you can increase your force, you are authorized to do so to any extent you may consider necessary. I have just issued orders to Maj. Gen. Willock, of Marion county, to raise five hundred men, and to march them to the northern part of Daviess, and there unite with Gen. Doniphan, of Clay, who has been ordered with five hundred men to proceed to the same point for the purpose of intercepting the retreat of the Mormons to the north. They have been directed to communicate with you by express, you can also communicate with them if you find it necessary. Instead therefore of proceeding as at first directed to reinstate the citizens of Daviess in their homes, you will proceed immediately to Richmond and then operate against the Mormons. Brig. Gen. Parks of Ray, has been ordered to have four hundred of his brigade in readiness to join you at Richmond. The whole force will be placed under your command.
I am very respectfully, your ob't serv't,
L. W. Boggs, Commander-in-Chief.
Show us the law on the books that says it's illegal to BELIEVE in Mormon doctrine.
I did. I posted the whole order. Do I need to post the retraction?
I am waiting to see what comes of all that.
I have been very unimpressed with the indictments so far. You would think that to justify kidnapping almost 400 women and children that they could indict at least a 100 men or so. What is the old saying? Any prosecutor worth anything should be able to indict a ham sandwich.
Their best case seems to be against a man already in prison. Is the prosecutors best case guilt by association?
No, I honestly believe that their is evidence of statutory rape.
Problem is, I suspect most of it is inadmissable.
Good Evening to all.
I’ve caught up on all the threads , and the latest posts on here.
And, I posted a new thread you all may be interested in.
(Swinton may testify against FLDS)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2066514/posts
So....off we go.
Thank you , LeGrande, for responding in kind. By that I mean addressing my comments, point by point, sentence by sentence.
I am looking forward the the civil case where we will find out the circumstances that led to this. IIRC, there were two females who had questionable ID, and it was decided to be safe, take them as children, and let the court rule on the ID.
Yes. They rejected that it was a dangerous environment to ALL the children. They admitted it was dangerous for ‘some’.
“When have I ever mixed the two, or said that the perps shouldn’t be arrested and tried?”
You were mixing persecution and prosecution, or were trying to substitute persecution in the discussion of the ongoing prosecution.
And others are mixing the CPS case with the LE case, and others are mixing.... , and I’ve done it myself, so....
I must have gotten off the track, If I led you to think I meant you were a ‘blind defender’ of the perpetrators in the case.
Your position has always been ‘get the perps, but do it right’, and so... I reiterate your position here for everyone to see, instead of letting my comment mislead someone.
Oh?
Show us:
Missouri Executive Order Number 44:
Headquarters of the Militia,
City of Jefferson, Oct. 27, 1838.
General John B. Clark:
Sir: Since the order of this morning to you, directing you to cause four hundred mounted men to be raised within your division, I have received by Amos Reese, Esq., of Ray county, and Wiley C. Williams, Esq., one of my aids, information of the most appalling character, which entirely changes the face of things, and places the Mormons in the attitude of an open and avowed defiance of the laws, and of having made war upon the people of this state. Your orders are, therefore, to hasten your operation with all possible speed.
The Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the state if necessary for the public peace--their outrages are beyond all description.
If you can increase your force, you are authorized to do so to any extent you may consider necessary. I have just issued orders to Maj. Gen. Willock, of Marion county, to raise five hundred men, and to march them to the northern part of Daviess, and there unite with Gen. Doniphan, of Clay, who has been ordered with five hundred men to proceed to the same point for the purpose of intercepting the retreat of the Mormons to the north.
They have been directed to communicate with you by express, you can also communicate with them if you find it necessary. Instead therefore of proceeding as at first directed to reinstate the citizens of Daviess in their homes, you will proceed immediately to Richmond and then operate against the Mormons. Brig. Gen. Parks of Ray, has been ordered to have four hundred of his brigade in readiness to join you at Richmond. The whole force will be placed under your command.
I am very respectfully,
your ob't serv't,
L. W. Boggs,
Commander-in-Chief.
So did I
In 1976, Missouri Governor Christopher Bond rescinded Executive Order 44 as follows:
WHEREAS, on October 27, 1838, the Governor of the State of Missouri, Lilburn W. Boggs, signed an order calling for the extermination or expulsion of Mormons from the State of Missouri; and
WHEREAS, Governor Boggs' order clearly contravened the rights to life, liberty, property and religious freedom as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, as well as the Constitution of the State of Missouri; and
WHEREAS, in this bicentennial year as we reflect on our nation's heritage, the exercise of religious freedom is without question one of the basic tenets of our free democratic republic;
Now, THEREFORE, I, CHRISTOPHER S. BOND, Governor of the State of Missouri, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the State of Missouri, do hereby order as follows:
Expressing on behalf of all Missourians our deep regret for the injustice and undue suffering which was caused by the 1838 order, I hereby rescind Executive Order Number 44, dated October 27, 1838, issued by Governor W. Boggs.
In witness I have hereunto set my hand and caused to be affixed the great seal of the State of Missouri, in the city of Jefferson, on this 25 day of June, 1976.
(Signed) Christopher S. Bond, Governor.
Their "crime" Elsie was their belief.
In an atheist's mind; perhaps.
I still cannot find (in the original) the fact that RELIGIOUS BELIEFS being the reason for it.
Help me see it.
Help me see it.
Here is what it says.
"The Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the state if necessary for the public peace--their outrages are beyond all description."
The outrages that were beyond all description were their beliefs.
Warren Steed Jeffs, 52, Raymond Merril Jessop, 36, and Michael George Emack, 57, were arrested Friday on 3rd degree felony Bigamy charges following indictments Thursday by Schleicher County grand jurors. Emack and Jessop surrendered Friday afternoon. Jeffs was arrested in Kingman, Arizona where he is in jail awaiting trial. Emack and Jessop were each released on a $10,000 Surety bond.
So.... Two more men have been indicted.
That brings the total number of men under various charges to
Seven?
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