Posted on 08/18/2008 9:35:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
With five seats on the State Board of Education up for grabs this year, education advocates say how children learn about evolution hangs in the balance -- and who voters choose could affect Kansas' national reputation.
A frequent flip-flop between moderate and conservative majorities on the 10-member board has resulted in the state changing its science standards four times in the past eight years.
Conservatives have pushed for standards casting doubt on evolution, and moderates have said intelligent design does not belong in the science classroom.
In 2007, a new 6-4 moderate majority removed standards that called evolution into question.
This year, none of the three moderates whose seats are up for election are running again. Only one of the two conservative incumbents is running for re-election...
(Excerpt) Read more at kansas.com ...
You're looking in the wrong end of the telescope.
It's BECAUSE they've incorporated a godless existance into their lifestyle that they seek to impose it into children of the next generation.
It's usually much easier to deny God than it is to give up some things about your lifestyle.
True, but at the same time it’s more important to ensure people we DO have a model and plan that people understand as an alternative to
INSANE FAILED UNOBJECTIVE GODLESS LIBERLAISM!
Is there ANYTHING that the godless liberal agenda has NOT ruined...let’s ALL just start there and work from that!
What seems obvious to one person may not seem obvious to another. To people a few thousand years ago it was obvious that the earth is flat. Somewhat later it was obvious that the sun, moon and planets revolved around the earth. It was once obvious that heavy objects fell faster than light objects.
Tantrums do not define science. Hard work in the field and in the laboratory define science.
Now I’m curious.
When you change the oil in your car, do you go to a library and study oil changing?
Americans understand that NO SINGLE document gives us ultimate freedom, but that God does.
We also understand that godless liberals do not define science, they don’t exclusively make rules for the rest of us to follow and as we NOW know they and the ACLU don’t have exclusive access to ALL the documents or laws that define and govern America.
God may “give us freedom,” but religion has a piss poor track record.
Yes, our founding documents state that our rights are endowed unto us by our Creator. Who argues differently?
Scientists define Science, and most Scientists in the U.S.A. are people of faith; not “godless liberals”.
What documents and laws that the ACLU do not have access to are you speaking of?
Absolutely amazing...still more irony and projections!
I think I get it now...but more on that later.
SOOOOO, stay with yourself now... if what you say is true, why do godless liberals think that courts define science? It’s not OK to interject “religion” or even simple belief of a higher being we don’t fully understand into science, but godless UNobjective liberals who hijack the law to fit THEIR IDEOLOGY, DOES define science??????
Not to mention law, education in general, government, journalism etc. etc. etc.
When the founding fathers said free exercise thereof, there were no exclusions stipulating EXCEPT science, govt., law and virtually every other public institution!
And ALL citizens have access to the labs, curriculum, and yes even the definition of science.
It actually used to be that way and we didn’t somehow turn into a Theocracy either, but what DID happen was Christians allowed ALL to participate and eventually godless liberals to hijack society to their ends in the first place!
Speaking of irony!
Back to my discovery...
hijacking the law, pitching fits of rage, arguing in circular unreasoned illogical patterns, and then projecting your OWN behavior onto Christians, is working for you (and others) about as well as godless liberlaism has worked, PERIOD.
No one needs to project anything onto Christians. The history of Europe will do nicely.
How could it “try” to change its code, if mutations are random?
=Epigenetics is not a magic code word that makes the random go away.
Epigenetics won't banish all randomness from biology. Indeed, it is impossible to escape at least a certain amount of randomness because of the Fall. But epigenetics is quickly replacing randomness where randomness once ruled supreme. Let's face it, Darwinian evolution is on the way out...this is something epigeneticists have known for a long time:
Why Lamarck Won’t Go Away (1995):
“It would appear that neo-Darwinian theory has been seriously, if not fatally, undermined by the discoveries of these ‘fluid genome ’ processes at least ten years ago.”
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/119951287/PDFSTART?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
But don't worry, I think you will find that your fellow evos aren't so much wedded to Darwin as they are to evolution, and it will only be a matter of time before they insert a new godless evolutionary theory in its place. Trouble is, the field of epigenetics constitutes a powerful argument in favor Creation/ID. You guys are going to have one heck of a time convincing the public that epigenetics is the product of blind chance.
I think we both know that answer to that question. It's because the evos rely on force to prop up Darwin's failed theory. If the courts started ruling in our favor, then we would suddenly start hearing that the courts have become a rubber stamp for Creationists/IDers, and are neither competent nor the proper forum to decide issues of science.
==Then everything in life only appears to be random and random is a meaningless word. I am not willing to go quite that far, but I do know that random doesn’t mean “not under the control of God”.
Then we all agree? Random still has meaning from a human vantage point, even though we recognize that what we call random is completely under God’s control. Does that about sum it up???
OF COURSE...and godless liberal hypocrats can’t see their own behavior, they’re simply incapable of objectivism, so they project their own behavior onto others as an excuse for that and so it goes:
you’re injecting your religion into science,
that’s not soience
you have no proof
Rush is right, you don’t negotiate with liberals, you defeat them!
I can play that game too:
Hitler has a nice track record.
Stalin...
Epigenetics doesn't support ID or Creationism any more than any other biological phenomenon that is subject to random mutation and natural selection.
==The turning on and off of epigenetic markers
As I explained to you before, epigenetics is involved in a lot more than simply turning genes on or off. Surely you must know that by now?
Why do Creationists/ID’ers/cdesign proponentists seem to believe in such a weak and powerless God?
==Now why do you suppose a cell under stress would attempt to INCREASE mutation and DECREASE mutation repair?
I already gave you my initial speculation as to why right here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2063792/posts?q=1&;page=551#577
Me neither, it’s not worth my time and frustration, and not that it’s wrong to consult a manual mind you,
My point was, some of us don’t NEED constant direction and study and become totally dependent on gubmint, man-made legal documentation and so on to understand freedom, much less understand not to just let the oil drain into the ground from the very first time I change the oil.
I can figure out to put oil in a certain container and take it to a place that accepts it (there are alot if signs around here fortunately out in front of garages and so on, even for those of us who aren’t clued all the way in just yet.)
Sooooo let the Christian God-fearing scientists define science and NOT lunatics that hijack govt to define it! WHOLEHEARTEDLY agreed!
“What documents and laws that the ACLU do not have access to are you speaking of?”
IT’S NOT A QUESTION OF ACCESS...it’s a question of MISUSE!
For instance, you’re not gonna agree that schools need to remove the word Christmas from their calendars on Dec. 25th because a group of anti-Christian godless liberals SAY IT’s offensive are you?
==Everything is under God’s control. So the carefully constructed dichotomy of “either it is directed by God or it is just a random process” is just so much meaningless blather; as well as advancing the blasphemous notion that random events are somehow not under the purview of an infinitely powerful and prescient God.
We finally agree. We all need to band together and defeat the unscientific blasphemy known as Darwinism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics
Epigenetics is not a magic word that makes the random go away. Epigenetic markers are just as subject to mutation and natural selection as any other relevant DNA sequence.
An organism that changes its epigenetics will express genes in a different pattern but will not CHANGE THE ACTUAL GENE EXPRESSED. Therefore when you say epigenetics is the answer for how genetic variability arises you need to propose a mechanism whereby epigenetics actually changes genetic alleles rather than just changing what genes are expressed in what cells.
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