Posted on 08/18/2008 9:35:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
With five seats on the State Board of Education up for grabs this year, education advocates say how children learn about evolution hangs in the balance -- and who voters choose could affect Kansas' national reputation.
A frequent flip-flop between moderate and conservative majorities on the 10-member board has resulted in the state changing its science standards four times in the past eight years.
Conservatives have pushed for standards casting doubt on evolution, and moderates have said intelligent design does not belong in the science classroom.
In 2007, a new 6-4 moderate majority removed standards that called evolution into question.
This year, none of the three moderates whose seats are up for election are running again. Only one of the two conservative incumbents is running for re-election...
(Excerpt) Read more at kansas.com ...
No talking points, unlike you I don’t let men define my judgment for me.
http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2004/12/slamming_intell.html
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/bass/060121
http://www.allaboutscience.org/intelligent-design-movement-faq.htm
Since when has opposition to science been a requirement for 'solid conservatism'? I vote every 4 years to keep these bozos off the board and I'll do that again this year.
It is the Darwinists in this fight who are the bullies here. They are the people who are defending government schools as a means to impose an atheistic worldview on other people's children.
If Darwinists aren't bullies for defending compulsory (that means armed police force) government schools, please explains to me how they are not?
The solution here, Redcoat, is to begin the process of privatizing government police threat schools.
If you want your kids sent to a school that scrubs God from the curriculum, fine. Do that! But...please don't force your atheism on other people's children. Oh!...And the Supreme Court has ruled that atheism is a religion.
While there are some Creationists and IDers who attempt to get their worldview into government textbooks, generally, most merely would like their school taxes back. They would like to use their own money they have paid in taxes for private schools. Many Creationists and IDers would like to use their school tax money as a donation to a private voucher foundations or to help support another child's education. What is so unreasonable about this?
its that simple. Keep your dogma in your church,
Although I have explained this many times, Darwinists are like little kids with fingers in their ears. There are on 2 possible choices a school can make! Neither is religiously neutral!!!!! 1) It is **NOT** religiously neutral to have government schools that are scrubbed free of God. *It teaches children that their religion and traditions are unimportant in evaluating the natural world and in evaluating the moral conflicts found in literature and the social sciences. *It teaches children that their religious values are peripheral and not central to their lives. *It teachers children that their religion must be hidden like a bathroom activity. *It teaches them that humans are a materialistic accident and that has enormous religiously non-neutral religious and political consequences.
At home parents are teaching one thing, and in their police threat government schools the values of the parents are **ignored** and sometimes even sneered at. Such an environment teachers child to have contempt for their parents.
I’d be willing to bet that them little creationist kids probably couldn’t get too far doing a scientific analysis of any situation by solving every problem by saying “God did it”
I'd be willing to bet that little creationist's kids are doing just fine in the sciences. Has any study been done to see how well children from fundamentalist Christian schools are doing in college generally and in the sciences specifically? Do we really know?
The truth is that evolution is really important only to a tiny handful of people in this minuscule niche of science. Other scientists over the vast array of science are **never** concerned in their daily work with the origin of man and the differentiation of species. This even includes **biologists**! The vast bulk of biology is chemistry and cellular based research.
In my field, we spent *ONE* lecture on the topic, and macro-evolution was **never** discussed even once on the graduate school level. My husband who has a Ph.D. in biochemistry, which is the chemistry of living organisms ( primarily human) reports the same.
Finally, before you dismiss me with the insult of "crevo", I "believe" in evolution. It seems to me to be the most rational explanation for the process of life on the earth...BUT...if my children attended school, I would want that school to reinforce that our natural world reflects the glory of a **rational** God. Our religion specifically teaches that not only *can* we learn about the workings of a rational God, it is our **duty** and **obligation** to learn as much as we are capable!
Teaching evolution without reference to a rational God is **NOT**NOT***NOT** religiously neutral. And...This is what Darwinists want to do with police threat atheistic government schools.
It is the Darwinist defenders of government schools who are the bullies!
That energy would be far better spent in:
1) Organizing for tax credits so parents could use their **own** school taxes for thier child in a private school.
2) Organizing so that other's could use their **own** school tax money to donate to a private voucher foundation or supporting another individual child.
3) Working to elect representatives dedicated to privatizing government education on every level. Let the school taxes fund the child, not the school.
We have enough Darwinists being cheer leading bullies for police threat government schools without helping them support the very system that oppresses so many.
And you're wiser than God. Have a nice day.
And that straightforward and simple fact is as true today as it was in the 1870s.
I'm saying that it WAS deposited since it landed. I'm saying that your assumption of ice layers and depth = 1000 of years is faulty.
However, I can see from your other posts that you are not willing to give up your "faith" in your base assumption. I should have taken the advice of the Big Guy and not waste my time. "Pearls before swine"
It is inconceivable that Darwinist bullies would be cheerleaders for police threat government schools and defend the government imposition of their worldview on other people's children.
It is inconceivable that Darwinists would advocate for the use of police threat to force fellow citizens to pay for these atheistic compulsory government schools.
Bullying is **not** rational. Bullying is about power.
So?...Stormer, what motivates the Darwinists to be such abusive bullies? Maybe you could explain this irrational behavior to me?
The solution, of course, is to begin the process of privatizing the schools.
You're missing the point. There are a lot of folks out there who want teacher-led prayer and creationism in the public schools not so they can reach their children, but so they can reach your children.
Evolutionary biology is advanced by the efforts of scientists on college campuses, in peer-reviewed journals, in the field and in the laboratory.
Creationism is advanced by the efforts of advocacy groups in local school board elections.
Which side is attempting to use the power of government to prop up its efforts?
RC: “No, actually the majority of people you hang with wants it.”
MM: On the contrary, it’s only the majority of people YOU hang with who don’t want it. Many polls show that most people want creation and/or ID to be taught in the schools along with evolution. Try again.
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http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/03/americans_overwhelmingly_suppo.html
Headline: “Americans Overwhelmingly Support Teaching Scientific Challenges to Darwinian Evolution, Zogby Poll Shows” From March 2006.
http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=719
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Free Republic Poll on Evolution
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1706571/posts?page=63#63
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Creationism makes a comeback in US
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1856224/posts
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Teaching creation and evolution in schools
Solid research reveals American beliefs
http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v13/i2/teaching.asp
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Survey Finds Support Is Strong For Teaching 2 Origin Theories
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B07E4D9143BF932A25750C0A9669C8B63
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Public Divided on Origins of Life
http://people-press.org/report/254/religion-a-strength-and-weakness-for-both-parties
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Americans Believe in Jesus, Poll Says (creation poll results included)
http://derekgulbranson.com/2005/01/17/americans-believe-in-jesus/
Science is as fallible as as anything else man has done.
If the Bible is fallible and not to be trusted because men wrote it, then any scientific research and published results done by men is equally fallible and subject to the same level of distrust; especially in light of the ongoing fraud that keeps coming to light in the scientific community.
Right. Dismiss the results because they don’t support your point of view. Disingenuous.
There is no scientific *reality*. Science is built on shifting sands, constantly changing as new data comes in. It’s not reliable. It’s not about truth. It’s about the best current explanation for the data which might not be the best tomorrow, or next week, or next year.
With better results, thank you.
My question was more along the lines of why it was that Newton came to the conclusion that the universe was orderly and could be studied. Wasn’t it because he believed that it was created by an orderly rational God?
Nobody is opposed to science. They’re just opposed to the misuse of science to further leftist agendas.
And this "explanation" is always based on some base assumptions - ie, no Creator, billions of years, evolution.
It's funny that the arguers can't see their circular reasoning. The assumptions they build into their observations are the conclusions they are trying to prove.
There are a lot of folks out there who want teacher-led prayer and creationism in out of the public schools not so they can reach their children, but so they can reach your children.
As it becomes increasingly obvious that their indoctrination is not working, they redouble their efforts. We're constantly reading about how the teaching of evolution needs to be revamped because to the evos dismay, so many people STIIIILLLL believe in creation.
These assumptions, as you said, include rationality, order, elegance, predictability, and most important, discoverability. Our planet is [uniquely] placed for us to discover our universe.
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