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State science standards in election spotlight (ID/Creation Kansans need to vote!)
The Wichita Eagle ^ | August 1, 2008 | LORI YOUNT

Posted on 08/18/2008 9:35:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

With five seats on the State Board of Education up for grabs this year, education advocates say how children learn about evolution hangs in the balance -- and who voters choose could affect Kansas' national reputation.

A frequent flip-flop between moderate and conservative majorities on the 10-member board has resulted in the state changing its science standards four times in the past eight years.

Conservatives have pushed for standards casting doubt on evolution, and moderates have said intelligent design does not belong in the science classroom.

In 2007, a new 6-4 moderate majority removed standards that called evolution into question.

This year, none of the three moderates whose seats are up for election are running again. Only one of the two conservative incumbents is running for re-election...

(Excerpt) Read more at kansas.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: creation; crevo; education; election; elections; evolution; intelligentdesign; kansas; schoolboard; scienceeducation; wrongforum
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To: ketsu; GodGunsGuts
Awwwwww.... is snoogums mad? Don't worry snoogums, if you work really, really hard, you can google simple facts too. Just like the big boys do.

What a splendid example of what Darwinism can do to a mind. That in itself is a good argument against it.

301 posted on 08/18/2008 9:44:34 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

No, actually the majority of people you hang with wants it.

Religious school is for those that want their beliefs taught. Not public school, unless you want everyone’s beliefs taught, then there would be no time for anything else.

You want religion in school, send the kids to a religious school. That is not what the public schools are for. And, yes, many people send their kids to private schools that are science based, thank God for that. But, public schools are neutral ground, respect that.


302 posted on 08/18/2008 9:45:30 PM PDT by Redcoat1982 (A fast shutter speed of 1/2000 sec ensured that the bounding basset hound was frozen in the frame)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Hatred for all things ‘Biblical’ defines the modern Democrat party and their hardcore liberal evolutionist allies.

Both of these groups hate American historical values, and both of these groups worship the Big Government public school monopoly.

The hardcore evolutionist on FR who claim to be small government libertarians are the worst liars of all.

The FR hardcore evolutionists worship Big Government at its very worst (public school monopoly) but claim libertarianism as a convenient, dishonest excuse for the extreme moral liberalism they spew on this conservative forum.

They are liars of the worst kind.

303 posted on 08/18/2008 9:46:02 PM PDT by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: betty boop

ping!


304 posted on 08/18/2008 9:46:33 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: valkyry1

Well then, the bible is published by men, its fallible too.

Science is about testing, and proving things wrong via repeat testing. Its a good thing when scientists disprove things, its about learning the facts. Creationism takes a belief, then goes out to try to fit the data to the belief.

No place for that in public school, do it in your church.


305 posted on 08/18/2008 9:48:44 PM PDT by Redcoat1982 (A fast shutter speed of 1/2000 sec ensured that the bounding basset hound was frozen in the frame)
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To: Redcoat1982

Like I think I said, take ‘creationism’ out of the equation here.


306 posted on 08/18/2008 9:50:50 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: Redcoat1982
==Sorry you can’t see that, thankfully, the vast majority does

Wrong:

* Only 30% of Republicans believe in "evolution;" 68% do not.
* 61% of independents believe in "evolution;" 37% do not.
* 57% of Democrats believe in "evolution;" 40% do not.

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307 posted on 08/18/2008 9:52:37 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Old Landmarks

Couldn’t agree more. In fact, there’s a few left-wing/big government evos here stirring up trouble right now.


308 posted on 08/18/2008 9:55:31 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: ketsu

You might be a big boy, but you either have an empty head or an empty heart (or both). Otherwise you would defend your statements instead of running away from them.


309 posted on 08/18/2008 9:58:25 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Fortunately, scientific reality is not the product of polls conducted within the nonscientific community.
310 posted on 08/18/2008 10:00:03 PM PDT by stormer
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To: Redcoat1982

==No place for that in public school, do it in your church.

Fine, give us the money back that we are forced to plow into your Darwin indoctrination centers, and we will gladly educate our children elsewhere.


311 posted on 08/18/2008 10:01:49 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Other polls say different. 74% of people with post graduate degrees believe in evolution, 48% of college grads, 50% with some college, 41% with high school or less.

What does that mean? means there are all kinds of surveys out there, that will support whatever you want.

Keep your religion out of public schools, is it that hard for you?


312 posted on 08/18/2008 10:01:56 PM PDT by Redcoat1982 (A fast shutter speed of 1/2000 sec ensured that the bounding basset hound was frozen in the frame)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Fine, then how about the churches start paying taxes? We are forced to pay taxes and the churches aren’t.


313 posted on 08/18/2008 10:03:24 PM PDT by Redcoat1982 (A fast shutter speed of 1/2000 sec ensured that the bounding basset hound was frozen in the frame)
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To: metmom; betty boop
Indeed, but I'll defer to betty boop for the deep philosophical insights!
314 posted on 08/18/2008 10:03:25 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Redcoat1982

==Keep your religion out of public schools, is it that hard for you?

I’m fine with that too, so long as you are willing to keep your Darwinian co-religionists out of the schools too. Deal?


315 posted on 08/18/2008 10:04:16 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Redcoat1982

==Fine, then how about the churches start paying taxes? We are forced to pay taxes and the churches aren’t.

And you call yourself a conservative? I have never met a conservative who was for abolishing the First Amendment of the Constitution.


316 posted on 08/18/2008 10:07:43 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: stormer

==Fortunately, scientific reality is not the product of polls conducted within the nonscientific community.

I quite agree. But we shouldn’t allow the equal and opposite error of allowing a pseudo-scientific clique of religious Darwinists to determine what scientific reality is either.


317 posted on 08/18/2008 10:12:06 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Nothing “pseudo” about evolutionary biology. The facts of evolution are well established and have undergone such rigorous scrutiny that provides such overwhelming support, it’s inconceivable that any rational person could deny its reality.


318 posted on 08/18/2008 11:06:48 PM PDT by stormer
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To: stormer

LOL! Darwin’s ToE is crumbling all around you. Indeed, things have gotten so bad that it’s only a matter of time before your co-religionists are forced to come up with a new theory of evolution. I predict they will hitch their wagons to the growing neo-Lamarckian resurgence. Time will tell. But one thing’s for sure...Darwin’s fairytale is about to be relegated to the dust heap of history.


319 posted on 08/18/2008 11:29:03 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: js1138
Does Sky Daddy breathed on a clump of dirt fall under:

d) A divine agent of unspecified nature zap-poofed the first life forms into existence.
?

320 posted on 08/19/2008 12:02:45 AM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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