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State science standards in election spotlight (ID/Creation Kansans need to vote!)
The Wichita Eagle ^ | August 1, 2008 | LORI YOUNT

Posted on 08/18/2008 9:35:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

With five seats on the State Board of Education up for grabs this year, education advocates say how children learn about evolution hangs in the balance -- and who voters choose could affect Kansas' national reputation.

A frequent flip-flop between moderate and conservative majorities on the 10-member board has resulted in the state changing its science standards four times in the past eight years.

Conservatives have pushed for standards casting doubt on evolution, and moderates have said intelligent design does not belong in the science classroom.

In 2007, a new 6-4 moderate majority removed standards that called evolution into question.

This year, none of the three moderates whose seats are up for election are running again. Only one of the two conservative incumbents is running for re-election...

(Excerpt) Read more at kansas.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: creation; crevo; education; election; elections; evolution; intelligentdesign; kansas; schoolboard; scienceeducation; wrongforum
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To: js1138
Scopes was about making the teaching of evolution not illegal. Law making is the realm of the legislative branch of government.

Lawsuits weren't misused by creationists to force creation on an unwilling populace through the misuse of the judiciary. Creation was already being taught in the schools in those days.

Try again after you learn about the proper function of the different branches of government.

Science is not done by lawyers or school boards.

Then why are they making decisions about something outside their area of expertise? If that's the case, then they should keep their noses out of it and not capitulate to the demands of special interest groups who merely have an agenda to push, no matter how much of an expert those people claim to be.

I can't wait for some dumb as a brick school board to tries teaching "scientific alternatives to evolution."

Since evolutionists have already decided that there is no scientific alternative to the ToE, nothing anyone proposes will be accepted; it will immediately be blown off as *not scientific* thus relieving scientists of any responsibility of actually addressing the evidence and refuting it. How convenient.

281 posted on 08/18/2008 9:17:20 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
What about it?
A creationist, not know something about the way we measure the age of the universe? That's unpossible!
282 posted on 08/18/2008 9:18:00 PM PDT by ketsu
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To: metmom

Our children are dumb enough, why make it worse with creationism?

If you want to teach the fraud of creationism, do it in a church, don’t subject other kids to this garbage.


283 posted on 08/18/2008 9:20:32 PM PDT by Redcoat1982 (A fast shutter speed of 1/2000 sec ensured that the bounding basset hound was frozen in the frame)
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To: js1138; Coyoteman; metmom
Coyote's hypothesis are non-scientific, absurd, and perhaps bizarre. Strawmen is what they are, and he insists that TOE works equally well under any of them.

Call it ‘science’ if you so desire CM, your beliefs are based on illusion & fantasy.

284 posted on 08/18/2008 9:21:26 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: ketsu

==You’re not very bright.

Your statement made no sense at all until I imagined you repeating it to yourself while looking in the mirror.


285 posted on 08/18/2008 9:21:38 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Redcoat1982

Our children are dumb enough after decades of teaching the ToE.

If creationism is responsible for the dumbing down of the students in science in the US, then why are they continuing to decline in science when creationism hasn’t been taught in schools for years?


286 posted on 08/18/2008 9:23:33 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ketsu

==A creationist, not know something about the way we measure the age of the universe? That’s unpossible!

Why don’t you break it down for me, genius.


287 posted on 08/18/2008 9:23:45 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Likely the image in the computer monitor screen.


288 posted on 08/18/2008 9:24:46 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Your statement made no sense at all until I imagined you repeating it to yourself while looking in the mirror.
Owie! You got me with your zinging wit. You obviously must have been on the debate team when you were teaching all those Harvard liberals about ID.
289 posted on 08/18/2008 9:26:27 PM PDT by ketsu
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To: metmom

I’d be willing to bet that them little creationist kids probably couldn’t get too far doing a scientific analysis of any situation by solving every problem by saying “God did it”

If you want creationism, teach it in your church, its a belief. Don’t teach it to kids in a public school, its that simple. Keep your dogma in your church, it has no place in school.


290 posted on 08/18/2008 9:27:25 PM PDT by Redcoat1982 (A fast shutter speed of 1/2000 sec ensured that the bounding basset hound was frozen in the frame)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Why don’t you break it down for me, genius.
lol... where'd the snarkiness go? Can't think without your talking points?
291 posted on 08/18/2008 9:28:51 PM PDT by ketsu
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To: ketsu

Wow, behold the intellect! It should be easy for you to explain how scientists can use the speed of light to measure the age of the universe.


292 posted on 08/18/2008 9:30:31 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Redcoat1982; metmom; wintertime

‘Darwin did it’ doesn’t work either, but its in the schools.


293 posted on 08/18/2008 9:30:51 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: GodGunsGuts
Wow, behold the intellect! It should be easy for you to explain how scientists can use the speed of light to measure the age of the universe.
Being a charitable guy, I'm going to help you help yourself by letting you google it. A hand up not a hand out as it were. After all, welfare is bad right?
294 posted on 08/18/2008 9:32:44 PM PDT by ketsu
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To: valkyry1

You are quite ignorant, Darwin didn’t do it. Decades of tested science, hypothesis, data, testing, observation and results, and published papers. Science builds on testable data, not some words from a religious tome.

Sorry you can’t see that, thankfully, the vast majority does, and keeps the creation nonsense out of the public schools. Don’t like it? Put your kids in some religious school.


295 posted on 08/18/2008 9:34:35 PM PDT by Redcoat1982 (A fast shutter speed of 1/2000 sec ensured that the bounding basset hound was frozen in the frame)
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To: ketsu
==Being a charitable guy, I'm going to help you help yourself by letting you google it.

I figured you weren't up to the challenge.

==A hand up not a hand out as it were. After all, welfare is bad right?

Yes it is. Especially the welfare checks Temple of Darwin fanatics masquerading as scientists pick up at the end of each month for indoctrinating America's youth.

296 posted on 08/18/2008 9:38:04 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Redcoat1982; valkyry1
Sorry you can’t see that, thankfully, the vast majority does, and keeps the creation nonsense out of the public schools.

That's not true. The majority wants creation and/or ID taught in schools along with evolution. If it were the majority who wanted it, there wouldn't be lawsuits trying to keep it out because the majority would have their way.

The private school option is available to evos as well. Since the majority want creation and ID addressed in schools, the atheist/secular humanist/evo can start their own private schools that prohibit any mention of any deity and send their own kids there.

The option always thrown to creationists as a scrap is just as good an option for the evos. Create your own school promoting your own belief system at your own expense.

297 posted on 08/18/2008 9:40:38 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
I figured you weren't up to the challenge.

Yes it is. Especially the welfare checks Temple of Darwin fanatics masquerading as scientists pick up at the end of each month for indoctrinating America's youth.

Awwwwww.... is snoogums mad? Don't worry snoogums, if you work really, really hard, you can google simple facts too. Just like the big boys do.
298 posted on 08/18/2008 9:40:40 PM PDT by ketsu
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To: GodGunsGuts

“...explain how scientists can use the speed of light to measure the age of the universe.”

Here’s a NASA link that sums that up for you!

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/features/exhibit/map_age.html


299 posted on 08/18/2008 9:40:46 PM PDT by stormer
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To: Redcoat1982
Published Papers are works of men, fallible men with egos.

You should go back and look at some of those hundreds of thousands of papers, see what those ideas and concepts they were based upon, look at the biography of the man who made the paper.

I am not for creation per se, I just want all the evo theorys looked at based on their own merits/faults without all the filters placed on the the belief as currently taught.

Regards,

300 posted on 08/18/2008 9:43:00 PM PDT by valkyry1
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