Obama Citizenship Controversy - Did Obama Travel to Pakistan on an Indonesian Passport? A Summary.

Many, many different sources | July & August of 2008 | TechDude, Pamela Geller, TexasDarlin, Judah Benjamin, etc

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

Originally Pamela Geller had the action in this story:

ATLAS EXCLUSIVE: FINAL REPORT ON OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE FORGERY

CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN

Sunday, July 20, 2008

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html

But since then, the momentum has shifted to TexasDarlin, over at Wordpress:

*Breaking* Sister Maya’s Name Uncovered on Alleged Obama Birth Certificate [Update]

August 5, 2008

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/05/breaking-sister-mayas-birth-certificate-used-to-forge-obamas/

 

*BREAKING* Barry Soetoro’s Birth Certificate in Republican Hands [UPDATE]

August 10, 2008

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/breaking-barry-soetoros-birth-certificate-in-republican-hands/

 

Obama’s Dual Citizenship Disaster: an Overview

August 10, 2008

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/obamas-dual-citizenship-disaster-an-overview/

Unfortunately, I think that TexasDarlin may have been getting threats from the Obamanation kooks [possibly to include death threats], so today she invoked Wordpress protection on her blog, and now she requires that you have a Wordpress account to log in and view her work & the work of her correspondents.

 

Anyway, the working theory right now is that:

1) Barack Jr was born somewhere in the world in August of 1961 - where exactly, we are not absolutely certain - but we do know that in early 1962, Stanley Ann Dunham and little Barack Jr surfaced in the state of Washington, alone & abandoned by the birth father:

Obama's mother known here as "uncommon"

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004334057_obama08m.html

 

...By 1962, Dunham had returned to Seattle as a single mother, enrolling in the UW for spring quarter and living in an apartment on Capitol Hill...

2) Circa 1965/1966, Stanley Ann Dunham consented to allow Barack Jr to be adopted [probably in Hawaii] by Lolo Soetoro, and Barack Jr came to be known [legally] as Barry Soetoro. At that time, the original 1961 birth records were [probably] sealed by court order, and Barry Soetoro moved to Indonesia with his new step-father & legal guardian, Lolo Soetoro.

 

3) As a child in Indonesia, Barry Soetoro [probably] became an Indonesian citizen, and Indonesia is a nation which does NOT allow dual citizenship.

 

4) Circa 1970, Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro sent Barry Soetoro "home" to Hawaii, to be adopted by Madelyn Payne Dunham & Stanley Armour Dunham. Because the second adoption was a little dicey, Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro [probably] asked Barack Hussein Obama Sr to fly in from Kenya and testify that he was the birth father [which would tend to indicate that the original birth certificate from 1961 did NOT list a father]. According to this theory, it would have been at that time, circa 1970, when the two famous "airport" photographs of Barack Hussein Obama Sr were snapped:

 

5) Barack Jr then lived in Hawaii, as a teenager, in the 1970's, with the legal name "Barry Dunham" [as he was known in high school], but made the mistake of not firmly "re-establishing" his American citizenship at that time [assuming he was ever an American citizen in the first place], and continued to carry an Indonesian passport.

 

6) And here's the kicker: In 1981, as a 19- or 20-year-old adult, Barack Jr made the further monstrous mistake of travelling to Pakistan to visit his mother, on an Indonesian passport - the passport of a nation which does NOT allow dual citizenship - thereby proving that there was a period in his life, as an adult, during which Barack Jr considered himself to have been a citizen of Indonesia and NOT a citizen of the United States of America.

 

7) The Obama people know about this Indonesian mess, and the lack of dual citizenship in Indonesia, and were rummaging around in Obama's State Department file to try to cover it up:

Chief of firm involved in breach is Obama adviser

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2008/04/07/2004333752.jpg

Under this theory, it would also be the reason that Obama is vacationing in Hawaii at the moment - as a cover story for going to Grandma Dunham and telling her to keep her mouth shut about everything she knows until the election & the inauguration are over, and to try to destroy as much evidence & contact as many old friends of the family as possible and get them to go into hiding like Grandma Dunham.

 

8) Finally, people believe that the Clintons know all about the mess as well, and that this was the reason for Bill Clinton's bizarre choice of words recently in addressing the question of his support for Obama:

Bill Clinton, given golden opportunity, fails to endorse Barack Obama

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/08/04/2008-08-04_bill_clinton_given_golden_opportunity_fa.html

 

..."I never was mad at Sen. Obama," Bubba said. "I think everybody's got a right to run for President who qualifies under the Constitution. And I'd be the last person to begrudge anybody their ambition"...

The thinking is that the feces will hit the fan shortly before [or maybe after] the DEM convention, and that, during the crisis, the DEMs will turn to Hillary and ask her to be their nominee in Obama's stead.

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

that they any of this is known for certain yet

that any of this is known for certain yet

[doug from upland]

MEMORIALIZED IN SONG - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2060303/posts

[El Gato]

From the "advisor" link:

The executive is a former senior CIA official and former interim director of the National Counterterrorism Center.

He contributed $2,300 to the Obama campaign in January.

...

On Friday, the department revealed that Obama's passport file was improperly accessed three times this year, and the security of passport files of the two other major presidential candidates -- Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican John McCain -- had also been breached.

Oh Jolly, a former Spook from Christians in Action is a big Obami supporter. Please tell me he's really running a false flag operation and works for Hillary.

Improperly accessed could mean a lot of things. Some not authorized to look at it, did. Someone not authorized to change it, did. With no one authorized to delete parts of it, someone did. So which is it? Or was it all three?

[El Gato]

Remember back in March when those folks were caught accessing Obama’s passport records? Reckon they found something?

More likely they "lost" something. The firm whose employees accessed the records is headed by an Obama supporter and former CIA spook and "counter terrorism" official.

[El Gato]

From the state department's page on dual nationality.

U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another.
...
However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there.Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. citizenship.

[Alice in Wonderland]

As Ramli Hutabarat said, "It is about one's identity. One can have a 'split personality' because of dual citizenship."

[trumandogz]

while I own little allegiance to the country where I was born, I do hold a passport from that nation. I have only used it to travel to nations on business where either Americans are not welcome or where the US “recommends” its citizens not go.

[Jess Kitting]

Madelyn Payne Dunham is still alive, at the age of 85

Is the the grandmother that was thrown under the bus?

[afraidfortherepublic]

but if you look at Obama Sr. and Obama, it is hard to discern what features he picked up from his father.

Hair. He does NOT have Asian hair.

[afraidfortherepublic]

Since my grandparents all came from Ireland, I can legally apply for and receive an Irish passport without jeopardizing my American passport.

That is true. That became common knowledge back in the late 1970s and early 1980s when plane hijackings were rampant. There was one hijacking where they collected the passports of all the Americans on board and started executing them one by one -- pitching the bodies out onto the tarmac.

There were several newspaper stories circulating at that time that explained that carrying another passport was NOT illegal and listing the countries and circumstances where you could get an alternate passport for travel in "iffy" places. Ireland was specifically mentioned. I tried to encourage my mother to apply for one on the baasis of her grandfather (she was doing quite a bit of travel at that time) but she refused.

[cookcounty]

"Remember back in March when those folks were caught accessing Obama’s passport records? Reckon they found something?

Funny that they were never named. The description of the one from Analysis ("outsatanding", "terrific") leads me to think it was somebody close to the Analysis boss, who is ex-CIA an early supporter of Obama (gave maximum $2,300 in January) and also advises the campaign on intelligence matters, (----like how to purloin documents???). Also, the files were breached in THREE DIFFERENT locations, obviously somebody with some muscle behind this, not some curious clerk.

[OESY]

"Presumptive nominee change we can believe in. Sweet Georgia Brown."

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[Polarik]

KayEyeDoubleDee said:

Originally Pamela Geller had the action in this story:

Sorry, but, she didn't. I had the "action" a month prior to that.

[kabar]

There are plenty of Asians that have curly hair, including some Indonesians. From Fiji to Borneo to the Philippines there are certain ethnic groups that have curly hair and can grow what you would call an Afro. That said, Obama's childhood pictures do show hair that is more likely to be associated with blacks.

Having lived in Indonesia for two years, I do find his facial features to be similar to many Indonesians. Obama is definitely multi-racial. The only question in my mind is whether Obama Sr. was the real father.

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

I had the "action" a month prior to that.

Where is your blog?

Thanks!

[mainerforglobalwarming]

If there is something to this I’ve got to think Bill and Hillary would have jumped on it by now. Let’s hope that the democrat convention turns into good tv after all.

[Polarik]

My blog is http://polarik.blogtownhall.com

Thanks for asking.

[expatguy]

KayEyeDoubleDee said:

Originally Pamela Geller had the action in this story:

Polarik said:

Sorry, but, she didn't. I had the "action" a month prior to that.

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[afraidfortherepublic]

Yes — I forgot about the South Seas Islanders and their hair.

[earmarksrus]

http://thomasalamb.blogspot.com/2008/08/getting-schooled-on-barry-soetoro.html#links

Translated article form 2006. Your feelings on the passport is correct. But there is the question is if he was indeed adopted by the grandparents. The question is how would the adoption of the Indonesian stepfather play into this if he was adopted. If his approval was needed for the grandparenst to adopt.

Also, a court order is needed for an adopted child to open the orginal birth certificate. How this would play in Barack’s case is interesting.

“...In the beginning of the life in Jakarta, Barry the school in the Franciscan PRIMARY SCHOOL. Here he was registered by the name of Barry Soetoro. He entered this PRIMARY SCHOOL with the serial number 203.

In his report, Barry was written was born in Honolulu, on August 4 1961. In the school document, Barry was written as the Indonesian citizen. Barry entered the Franciscan PRIMARY SCHOOL on January 1 1968 and sat in the class of 1B. Agama Barry that was written in the document was Islam. While his father had a name L Soetoro Ma that worked as the official of Director General’s Geography of Topografi TNI Angkatan Darat of the Service.

Barry only went to school three years in the Asisi PRIMARY SCHOOL. He only studied until the class 3. In 1970, Barry moved to the Percobaan PRIMARY SCHOOL 04 Besuki, Menteng, Jakarta Pusat. When moving to the Besuki PRIMARY SCHOOL, Barry also moved the house to Street Dempo, Matraman, Jakarta. Dozens of years did not meet, friends of Barry’s PRIMARY SCHOOL in Jakarta then yearned for him.”