Obama Citizenship Controversy - Did Obama Travel to Pakistan on an Indonesian Passport? A Summary.

Many, many different sources | July & August of 2008 | TechDude, Pamela Geller, TexasDarlin, Judah Benjamin, etc

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

Originally Pamela Geller had the action in this story:

ATLAS EXCLUSIVE: FINAL REPORT ON OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE FORGERY

CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN

Sunday, July 20, 2008

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html

But since then, the momentum has shifted to TexasDarlin, over at Wordpress:

*Breaking* Sister Maya’s Name Uncovered on Alleged Obama Birth Certificate [Update]

August 5, 2008

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/05/breaking-sister-mayas-birth-certificate-used-to-forge-obamas/

 

*BREAKING* Barry Soetoro’s Birth Certificate in Republican Hands [UPDATE]

August 10, 2008

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/breaking-barry-soetoros-birth-certificate-in-republican-hands/

 

Obama’s Dual Citizenship Disaster: an Overview

August 10, 2008

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/obamas-dual-citizenship-disaster-an-overview/

Unfortunately, I think that TexasDarlin may have been getting threats from the Obamanation kooks [possibly to include death threats], so today she invoked Wordpress protection on her blog, and now she requires that you have a Wordpress account to log in and view her work & the work of her correspondents.

 

Anyway, the working theory right now is that:

1) Barack Jr was born somewhere in the world in August of 1961 - where exactly, we are not absolutely certain - but we do know that in early 1962, Stanley Ann Dunham and little Barack Jr surfaced in the state of Washington, alone & abandoned by the birth father:

Obama's mother known here as "uncommon"

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004334057_obama08m.html

 

...By 1962, Dunham had returned to Seattle as a single mother, enrolling in the UW for spring quarter and living in an apartment on Capitol Hill...

2) Circa 1965/1966, Stanley Ann Dunham consented to allow Barack Jr to be adopted [probably in Hawaii] by Lolo Soetoro, and Barack Jr came to be known [legally] as Barry Soetoro. At that time, the original 1961 birth records were [probably] sealed by court order, and Barry Soetoro moved to Indonesia with his new step-father & legal guardian, Lolo Soetoro.

 

3) As a child in Indonesia, Barry Soetoro [probably] became an Indonesian citizen, and Indonesia is a nation which does NOT allow dual citizenship.

 

4) Circa 1970, Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro sent Barry Soetoro "home" to Hawaii, to be adopted by Madelyn Payne Dunham & Stanley Armour Dunham. Because the second adoption was a little dicey, Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro [probably] asked Barack Hussein Obama Sr to fly in from Kenya and testify that he was the birth father [which would tend to indicate that the original birth certificate from 1961 did NOT list a father]. According to this theory, it would have been at that time, circa 1970, when the two famous "airport" photographs of Barack Hussein Obama Sr were snapped:

 

5) Barack Jr then lived in Hawaii, as a teenager, in the 1970's, with the legal name "Barry Dunham" [as he was known in high school], but made the mistake of not firmly "re-establishing" his American citizenship at that time [assuming he was ever an American citizen in the first place], and continued to carry an Indonesian passport.

 

6) And here's the kicker: In 1981, as a 19- or 20-year-old adult, Barack Jr made the further monstrous mistake of travelling to Pakistan to visit his mother, on an Indonesian passport - the passport of a nation which does NOT allow dual citizenship - thereby proving that there was a period in his life, as an adult, during which Barack Jr considered himself to have been a citizen of Indonesia and NOT a citizen of the United States of America.

 

7) The Obama people know about this Indonesian mess, and the lack of dual citizenship in Indonesia, and were rummaging around in Obama's State Department file to try to cover it up:

Chief of firm involved in breach is Obama adviser

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2008/04/07/2004333752.jpg

Under this theory, it would also be the reason that Obama is vacationing in Hawaii at the moment - as a cover story for going to Grandma Dunham and telling her to keep her mouth shut about everything she knows until the election & the inauguration are over, and to try to destroy as much evidence & contact as many old friends of the family as possible and get them to go into hiding like Grandma Dunham.

 

8) Finally, people believe that the Clintons know all about the mess as well, and that this was the reason for Bill Clinton's bizarre choice of words recently in addressing the question of his support for Obama:

Bill Clinton, given golden opportunity, fails to endorse Barack Obama

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/08/04/2008-08-04_bill_clinton_given_golden_opportunity_fa.html

 

..."I never was mad at Sen. Obama," Bubba said. "I think everybody's got a right to run for President who qualifies under the Constitution. And I'd be the last person to begrudge anybody their ambition"...

The thinking is that the feces will hit the fan shortly before [or maybe after] the DEM convention, and that, during the crisis, the DEMs will turn to Hillary and ask her to be their nominee in Obama's stead.

[wtc911]

If the birth was not registered within a very short time after it occurred, usually only weeks, then there would be no way to get a copy years later.

iow....either it was there from day-one or it was not.

Since she was born in Jakarta there could not possibly be a BC in Hawaii with her name on it.

btw...tharwat is a Black American from Georgia. Research is our friend.

[The Mayor]

WOW....

[Almondjoy]

It seems that your view that as an adult “there was a time when he did NOT consider himself to be a citizen of the United States of America.” is at best your opinion unless you have just neglected to spell out some law or point out where that would really revoke his US citizenship.

Again he could of been ignorant of Indonesian law and unaware of what it appears to be to outside viewers such as yourself.

[TommyJoe]

Tharwat.com Tharwat Abdul-Malik

[Stentor]

btw...tharwat is a Black American from Georgia. Research is our friend.

Found on No Quarter

http://www.domaintools.com/registrant-search/?and=Tharwat.com

Tharwat.com has 93 websites. Have a spare $123.00.

[Stentor]

tharwat is a Black American from Georgia

Oh. I forgot. Would you link or give a publication reference for that?

[Stentor]

http://www.linkedin.com/in/tharwat

Still don't know if he's American. There is a Tharwat involved in the democracy movement in Egypt.

[Crystal Cove]

When I clicked on the link to took me to John McCain’s website. What does that mean?

[kabar]

The person who owns the website has essentially linked you to the McCain site by just mirroring it.

[Citizen Blade]

I was born overseas to American parents and have a U.S. Passport as well as the passport of the nation where I was born.

I have three- Serbia, Canada and the US. I may actually qualify for a German passport through my grandmother. I'm waiting for Serbia to join the EU so I can get an EU passport.

[trumandogz]

I have used my “Second Passport” to travel to a country on a business trip where it would have been at the very least frowned upon to go there with a U.S. Passport.

I am working on getting the passport of an EU member which would open up additional doors for business travel.

[Citizen Blade]

I have used my “Second Passport” to travel to a country on a business trip where it would have been at the very least frowned upon to go there with a U.S. Passport.

The interesting thing with Canadian passport control is that they use the same technology as the US for reading passports, so when they scan my American passport, the immigration agent knows right away that I'm a dual citizen.

Our son is due in September, and I'm making sure to register his birth with the Canadian government to ensure his citizenship.

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

Since she was born in Jakarta there could not possibly be a BC in Hawaii with her name on it.

No, that's not my understanding.

TexasDarlin has a lot more on this, but my understanding is that if the child qualifies for American birth citizenship - for instance, if Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro considered herself to be a citizen of Hawaii and NOT a citizen of Indonesia - then there are circumstances under which Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro could have applied for documentation of Maya Soetoro's birth from the state of Hawaii, even though the birth [apparently] took place in Indonesia.

The problem is that there is no evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro considered herself to be a citizen of Hawaii [in fact, she was very likely a citizen of Indonesia at that point - again, a nation which does NOT recognize dual citizenship], and so, if Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro was not a citizen of the state of Hawaii [much less a citizen of the USA], but applied for & received this Hawaiian documentation for her daughter, Maya Soetoro, as though she [Stanley Ann] were a citizen of Hawaii, then she [Stanley Ann] committed a felony [or multiple felonies].

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

It seems that your view that as an adult "there was a time when he did NOT consider himself to be a citizen of the United States of America." is at best your opinion unless you have just neglected to spell out some law or point out where that would really revoke his US citizenship. Again he could of been ignorant of Indonesian law and unaware of what it appears to be to outside viewers such as yourself.

No, no, no, no - you don't understand.

The theory is that Barack Jr travelled to Pakistan, to visit his mother [who was at that point separated or divorced from Lolo Soetoro, whom she left behind in Indonesia], in 1981 [while he was an undergrad at either Occidental or Columbia], as an adult [of the age of 19 or 20], and that when he made that trip, Barack Jr carried on his person an Indonesian passport [the passport of a nation that does NOT recognize dual citizenship] which identified him as Barry Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia.

This would have been a document that Barack Jr would have held in his hand, and stored in his breast pocket, and flashed to the immigration & customs officials at every international airport where he embarked and/or dis-embarked.

Which is to say: This is not something that the adult Barack Jr could claim he did not realize - he would have held the document in his hand [and frankly clutched onto it for dear life - no one would want to get stranded in a strange & violent nation like Pakistan without a passport] and he would have opened it and displayed it and read it on many, many different occasions.

And if this is true, then there should be a record of it somewhere deep in the bowels of the State Department, and TexasDarlin is hinting that "People in the Know" say they've found the documentation for it.

[wtc911]

TexasDarlin has a lot more on this, but my understanding is that if the child qualifies for American birth citizenship - for instance, if Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro considered herself to be a citizen of Hawaii and NOT a citizen of Indonesia - then there are circumstances under which Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro could have applied for documentation of Maya Soetoro's birth from the state of Hawaii, even though the birth [apparently] took place in Indonesia.

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This must be based on some code or law regarding how one qualifies for the issuance of a valid BC that shows that one was born in Hawaii. What is that code or law?

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

This must be based on some code or law regarding how one qualifies for the issuance of a valid BC that shows that one was born in Hawaii. What is that code or law?

Let me just go ahead and quote Judah Benjamin:

OBAMA: The Forged COLB and a New Mystery
By Judah Benjamin, Guest Author
August 5, 2008
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/05/1521/

...Stanley Ann Dunham could have filed a “Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock” Form under Section 301(g) INA and the other necessary paperwork at the Consulate, and that would mean that there should be an Indonesian Birth Certificate accompanied by Consular Service Documentation and the Consular Report of Birth, or FS-240, NOT a Hawaiian BC (so far as I can tell) since Stanley Ann Dunham WAS NOT a Legal Resident of the State of Hawaii, or of the United States of America, at the time of Maya’s Birth.

So there should not be a LEGAL Hawaiian Birth Certificate unless every Record is wrong. At the very least one would imagine that the old INS, or the current USCIS, would be very interested in the fact that Hawaii was, apparently, unilaterally giving Birth Citizenship to those born abroad, in defiance of Federal Law and the US State Department.

At least that is how the situation appears to me. I have always said that the Hawaiian Code seems to lend itself to this kind of action. The very existence of a Hawaiian COLB for Maya Kassandra Soetoro argues either that all the Records are wrong or that a deliberate illegality was committed by some person, presumably Stanley Ann Dunham.

The history of Stanley Ann Dunham and her children is a swamp, not a rock pool. Who was what and when is anything but clear. Senator Obama’s version of things just doesn’t hold up under examination.

We have what seems to be a trail of bent, or broken, Laws and IF we now have a forged COLB based on that of the Senator’s sister we may have a Forged Document based on an Illegal Original.

If that does not demonstrate Mens Rea I’m not sure what would. Once again the problem would have originated with Stanley Ann Dunham, not her children, but their methods of dealing with the little complications in their lives are maximally unacceptable...

[wtc911]

Your post, which simply states somebody else’s unsubstantiated theory, actually reinforces my point that there would be no Hawaiian BC for maya.

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

Your post, which simply states somebody else’s unsubstantiated theory, actually reinforces my point that there would be no Hawaiian BC for maya.

No - there SHOULD be no Hawaiian BC for Maya.

But if she has some sort of documentation from the state of Hawaii, then it looks like Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro committed a felony about 35 or 40 years ago.

[wtc911]

But if she has some sort of documentation from the state of Hawaii, then it looks like Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro committed a felony about 35 or 40 years ago.

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IF - LOOKS LIKE.....

This is a house of cards...no foundation.

I know that your intentions are the highest but this really sounds and feels like the Paul-is-dead circus of 1970.

Tech-dude dropped from sight saying that he and his wife are receiving death threats. That is a serious allegation.

If the internet was used (e-mails) then it is considered a terror act. The FBI and Homeland Security automatically get involved. That would be big news...."Death Threats over Obama Probe".

I will believe the death threat story when I see public reporting of it. Remember, the degenerate sinclair uses the same line whenever he has to hide from proving his accusations.

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

IF - LOOKS LIKE..... This is a house of cards...no foundation.

Look, it's a THEORY - no one is claiming that they any of this is known for certain yet [although TexasDarlin is making a lot of noise saying that people have the goods on Obama].

However, the basic theory is plausible: That Barack Jr once held "exclusively" Indonesian citizenship - certainly as a child - and that that "exclusively" Indonesian citizenship may have extended into adulthood.

The theory also answers at least four questions:

1) Why did the Obama campaign release a forged Certificate of Live Birth?

2) Why did Obama Sr fly halfway across the world, circa 1970, to make his only visit to his son, Barack Jr [as documented by the infamous "airport" photographs]? Remember, this was in the era before the de-regulation of the airlines, and a plane ticket from Kenya to Hawaii must have cost a small fortune [even by American standards, much less third-world Kenyan standards].

3) Why were known Obama supporters messing with Barack Jr's State Department file?

4) Why did Bill Clinton make the bizarre "who qualifies under the Constitution" comment just a few days ago?