Posted on 08/08/2008 10:43:34 AM PDT by Jeff Head
Here are numerous pictures from various online Russian and Georgian news outlest of the conflict in Georgia where Russia has now intevened on the ground and in the air and invaded Georgia over the Ossetian Seperatists.
Russian tanks and vehicles moving toward and into Georgia
Russian aircraft attackintg Georgia positions
Georgian troops movingn toward the fighting
Burniing Georgian Armor
Georgian forces engaging seperatists
So when does the mistake end?
We should do whatever we can, short of direct involvement, to help Georgia. There is a lot at stake here. Russian bellicosity is being used against our allies to intimidate their allying with us.
This effects the oil pipeline and missile defense.
I agree, now the question in my mind is...if/when Turkey is going to counter Russian forces to protect their precious investment.
Delta is ready when you are.
Are YOU personally ready to fight for South Ossetia???
That should be the question that every single one of the people on this board should ask themselves. Are you ready to personally get on a plane and go fight??
Because if you are not then you are being hypocrites about wanting to send other people to fight and possibly die in your place.
I do know that historically they have been our allies in WWI. In fact, their little country is the reason for WWI. However, during WWII they became a Nazi puppet state so there were partisans but there were also a lot of Serbians on the Nazis side. However, all of this history is not relevant.
What is relevant is if they have recently been an ally of ours. They were communists up until 1992 and since then as an independent nation they have been allied closely with Russia, not the U.S. So the answer is no they have not been our ally recently which was the point I was making.
Yes, tanks just don’t mobilize in a matter of hours. I agree with you. That’s why I said they were planning on this eventuality. Most likely they had units on high alert to be quickly mobilized.
Some are Armenian loyalists.
1cm-68, see post #385, please. Can you discern any pertinent information from the video? It looks like it is about 8 hrs old if the date is not phony.
the true, feel free to link video. All information is interesting.
I think some airpower from Incerlink Turkey would be pretty helpful. We can’t sit back and let Russia just overrun Georgia. 150 tanks in a column up a road is a pretty inviting target.
The reports appear that Georgia launched this attack, but I have to imagine they have been egged on by south Ossetian partisans with the blessing of Russia. It was a little too convenient that the Russian army was so quick to respond. They were expecting something.
Despite that, no one in the internaltional community disputes Texas being independent from that former rule, even though along the border the spanish speaking population is a much larger percentage of the population and in some pockets, there are probably some thousands who would want Texas, or that part of it, to not be a part of the US.
Same thing here in this part of Georgia.
Fact is, that area is a part of Georgia. There is a relative small number of people living there who want to be a part of Russia, but they are not a part of Russia and have not been officially recognized by Russia or any other part of the international community as a part of Russia.
Russia is using this as a pretext when they think the west is othwerwise engaged and distracted. Putin and his cronies do not give a whit about those people in the larger view of things.
Russia has invaded another copuntry, plain and simple, and all of the ethnicitiy arguements will not change that fact. It is now simply a question of whether that invasion and occupation will stand against the Georgian people, or the international community...and that is yet to be seen.
There is also a Moscow, Michigan but I don’t think you could park a 100 tanks in its town limits.
Our actions in Serbia had nothing to do with helping the Kosovoans. It was political and it was self serving by a pathological President. What is happening in Georgia is the same...but on a larger scale and with much more far reaching implications.
that’s is the true.
I’m not from Russia and not from Georgia.
Only one man must ANSWER FOR IT.
It’s a idiot Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili.
He feels youself like Tcar David and
Georgian is a great nation, very very friendly.
but this guy destroyed almost everything.
look here. there is no Russian army or soldier on that photo.
Georgia attack not military forces but peace city when people sleeps in bed.
http://lenta.ru/photo/2008/08/08/ossetia2/
look at the buildings..there were living families a 2 days ago
http://lenta.ru/photo/2008/08/09/ossetia/
But what if it suddenly was controlled by the Russians?
Some serious messages are being sent here under the pretext of a "helping" their countrymen...about as much as Hitler wanted to really "help" the Sudetenland.
He wanted to own it and the rest of Czeck territory and more, and he figured weak western nations were powerless to stop him. We know where it went from there within a couple of short years.
Amen and spot on.
I can’t read that, but I recognize Russian propaganda.
Ossetian separatists threatened the pipeline. Georgia decided to take them down. Russia was ready in the wings.
Remember this?
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=azzdPWeAPTFs&refer=home
Russia went in immediately after the US/Georgian training exercise was over and when Pres Bush and Putin were at the Olympics. I smell a set up.
What’s at stake? Critical oil pipeline, Georgian NATO chances, and ultmately who will be willing to have missile defenses stationed on their land flaunting Russian objections.
Are YOU personally ready to fight for South Ossetia??? ..............................I guess you have never played chess,Huh.
Delta is ready when you are.
No thanks for the strawman fallacy.
I never said that we should send troops. I do support the people of Georgia I this. You on the other hand are neutral.
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