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To: vietvet67
The chart you refer to is the following: One big way that people get in trouble is with mortgages that reset after the first few years to a higher monthly payment that they really can't afford.

We can look at mortgages that are already in affect now, and see how many will be resetting to a higher payment, and in which future year they will do that.

If there are alot of mortgages out there now, which will reset in say 2009 or 2010, we can be pretty sure that at least some of the riskier of these will fail, and go into foreclosure.

Furthermore, we can categorize these resetting mortgages by how risky they are. Those held by the Agencies (Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Ginnie Mae) tend to be the highest quality mortgages, and probably won't have as many failing.

The "Prime" mortgages, which I guess are those which are held by those with adequate documented income, and which were bought with a decent sized down payment, won't fail as frequently either.

The huge peak of sub-prime mortgage (lighter green color) resets are in this year, 2008, from mortgages that were issued three years ago. These are 3/1 (three years until the first reset, then reset once each year thereafter) liars loans on which the owner is paying interest only. Alot of these loans were issued in 2005 (not many before then), with their first reset in 2008. The flood of failures from those resets is a big part of what's hitting us now. When people took those loans three years ago, they figured (if they figured anything at all) that they could just sell the house at a profit in three years if the higher reset monthly payment was too much. With the declining real estate prices, they can't get out anymore with that profit.

But we can see an even bigger problem coming in 2010 and 2011, with the "Option Adjustable" mortgages that were issued in the last year or two. You don't even have to pay interest-only on these Option mortgages. You can pay less than the monthly interest, and let what interest you didn't pay just accumulate on the mortgage, increasing even more what you owe.

These "Option Adjustable" mortgages are like handing out hand grenades to crack heads. Unless the prices of real estate are rising even faster than the balances owed on these mortgages, they are pretty much guaranteed to blow up when the reset date comes.

There is a big pile of them, coming due in 2010 and 2011. See the light orange colored bars. That will cause a big pile of additional foreclosures, which continues to undermine both (1) real estate prices (when a house on your block forecloses, it tends to pull the appraised value of all the houses on that block down) and (2) mortgage backed securities.

A major risk our economy faces is all the mortgage-backed securities that banks had pyramided on top of mortgages. These toxic notes trade between banks, investment firms and hedge funds like Monopoly money. They are worth about what an IOU from a crack head is worth. They are failing catastrophically, with even the best worth a few cents on the dollar. Their total claimed value is worth ten or a hundred times the value of America. They have almost entirely come into existence in just the last four or five years.

If the Secretary of Treasury, the Federal Reserve Chairmen and the head of the Securities & Exchange Commission all woke up tomorrow and decided to destroy this nations banking system (hence the worlds currency) they could do so within the week, easily.

One can see from that chart that we will continue to see high rates of foreclosed mortgages, from almost certainly failing "Optional Adjustable" mortgages, through early 2012.

We're just in the second inning of this game, and it may well be a doubleheader. What's more, it may morph from a gentlemanly game of baseball, into hand to hand combat.

Morals of the story:

The powers that be are clearly using this opportunity, as they did in 1930, to increase the powers of the government and central banks. Americas government and economy are becoming increasingly socialized. It sucks. I don't see anyway to stop it.
30 posted on 08/02/2008 2:29:25 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Thank you for that excellent explanation.

With the housing crisis, inflation and the feds destruction of the dollar, it appears to me that a “perfect storm” has been created and the consequences will be more far-reaching that most realize.

Your advise for protecting oneself appears spot on.

Thanks again..


38 posted on 08/02/2008 3:06:25 PM PDT by vietvet67
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To: ThePythonicCow

I suggest people build their retirement on Indexed Universal Life insurance with an assured minimum gain. No loss of principle and pay out is tax-free. The stock market and employer based programs are over for retirement, IMO.


43 posted on 08/02/2008 3:20:52 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: ThePythonicCow
I think you are telling the truth and nothing but the truth and your analysis and predictions are dead on. Even so...


59 posted on 08/02/2008 4:07:27 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: ThePythonicCow
One thing I didn't spell out very well ... the way that these mortgage backed securities (MBS) are pyramided on top of mortgages.

These MBS securities are investment paper created by major USA banks and investment firms, which are backed by mortgages. When you or I take out a mortgage, the debt is usually sold, unlike thirty years ago, when that mortgage usually stayed with the local bank. These sold mortgages, in good times, represent a nice source of income (your interest payments) and are (indirectly, sort of) backed by solid security (your house).

These MBS securities, mostly created in just the last two to four years, are structured so that, in good times (rising real estate) they pay nice returns (more than Treasuries). But they are structured so that if even a few percent of the mortgages they are based on fail, then they lose value dramatically. Some of these MBS are now worth zero -- total loss.

The banks have been reluctant to be honest about the value of these MBS (and similar derivatives, pyramided higher and deeper on top of the MBSs), because if they were up front about their recent loses on this paper, several major banks, as well as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, would be bankrupt ... massively bankrupt.

We are just starting to see a couple of visible evaluations of this paper:

  1. The Northern Australia Bank has just publically written down the USA Mortgage Backed Securities it was holding by 90% (it priced its holdings of MBS at 10 cents on the dollar). See further International Herald Tribune: National Australia Bank writes off $798 million over U.S. mortgage-linked debt
  2. Merrill Lynch just unloaded some of this toxic paper to an outfit called Lone Star, at affectively a 94.5% mark down. Merrill sold $30.6 Billion of the paper to Lone Star for $6.7 Billion, but Merrill financed 75% of that payment, meaning Lone Star needed to only put up 5.5% of the value ($1.7 Billion) to get paper once worth $30.6 Billion. See further Lone Star Buys Big at Mortgage Fire Sale

121 posted on 08/03/2008 12:28:06 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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