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IDF vets train NY Jewish paramilitaries
The Jerusalem Post ^ | July 25, 2008 | HAVIV RETTIG

Posted on 07/27/2008 8:41:08 AM PDT by ChicagoHebrew

onatan Stern, the "Sgan Mefaked Hakita" (deputy squad commander) of Kitat Konenut New York, insists his "paramilitary emergency armed response team" is no "group of vigilantes or a JDL [Jewish Defense League]." Members of Kitat Konenut New...

Members of Kitat Konenut New York pose in a photo posted on the group's Facebook page. Photo: Courtesy Slideshow: Pictures of the week

"The goal of the organization is to have a competent and professional group of armed volunteers ready to respond to a threat at a moment's notice in any area where Jews reside," explains the Israeli combat veteran.

"We do not carry out demonstrations or political activity of any kind as we have no political agenda. Our agenda is to protect Jews wherever and whenever necessary and by any means needed."

On Friday, the third session of the group's training camp will begin in the Catskills woodlands of upstate New York, on land belonging to a Jewish supporter of the organization. With tuition at $400, the group expects 15 participants and five instructors for the 10 days of training. Participation has doubled since the group began three years ago.

Kitat Konenut New York is modeled on the rapid response teams in the West Bank settlements that are often the first to act when terrorist attacks or other emergencies take place. The group bills itself as religious-Zionist but nonpolitical.

American Jews have "felt a false sense of security in the United States," Stern believes, "because historically there has been less anti-Semitism than in other countries. But there have been incidents - neo-Nazi terrorist attacks, Arab terrorist attacks. Jews have to be vigilant."

"The threat is not from the American people or government," he adds, but from "terrorist sleeper cells that want to target Jews. These people are very dangerous and the FBI issues warnings against them very often," he said, citing the FBI's warning, after the killing of Hizbullah operations chief Imad Mughniyeh in Damascus in February, that the Lebanese group might carry out terror attacks on Jewish communities.

"The average American is friendly to Jews, but we're worried about those individuals on the periphery of society," Stern says.

The group was founded in the summer of 2006 in response to the shooting attack at the Jewish federation of Seattle premises by local Muslim Naveed Haq.

"We realized there is a need for this kind of organization, and as Israeli combat veterans living in the US, we have the skills and ability to respond to this," Stern says.

The group's MySpace page details the camp's regimen, which includes training in the IDF's Krav Maga martial art, use of non-lethal weapons and identification of suspicious objects, but also sharpshooter and assault rifle training, infantry exercises and endurance marches. Explanatory literature lists a large number of weapons with which participants can expect to train.

"We believe all Jews in the US must be legally armed and trained," Stern says, "and towards this goal we hold paramilitary training camps to train and equip Jewish American youth."

The group's literature notes emphatically that all firearms used in training "are 100% legal and in compliance with all federal, state and local laws."

"We strongly believe in the constitutional right to bear arms and we express this right to its fullest," it adds.

The group claims to be "well-connected with the New York police and fire departments" and it invites "all members of the law enforcement community to join in our life-saving activities."

Stern says, "We are all legally armed and carry radios and cellphones" during all hours of the day, and even on Shabbat, "as we need to be constantly ready to respond to any incident."

The camp literature also promises discussions on Torah and Halacha, understanding and confronting terrorism, fighting anti-Semitism, the history of the Zionist movement in the Land of Israel, and encouraging participants to "know your rights and learn how every American can and must be legally armed and how to express the Second Amendment" - the right to bear arms.

Funded by tuition money and a handful of private donors, the group does not exclude secular Jews, Stern says, but asks that they respect the Orthodox nature of the camp by observing Shabbat in public and refraining from bringing non-kosher food.

"We wouldn't have a problem with non-Jews coming either," says Stern, "but no non-Jew has applied thus far."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
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To: rmlew

“our uninquisitive president put his arms around members of the Council on American Islamic Relations “

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA - and then he sent 30,000 Muzzies to their deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq.

You are a real maroon - is that the best you can come up with to support your outrageous claim that the US is in bed with the Muzzies?

WHAT A JOKE!!!


221 posted on 07/28/2008 4:30:32 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: rmlew

“However it is also a red herring here.”

Hah! You say that Brooklyn needs IDF paramilitaries to protect Jews and I give you thousands of links where Jewish criminals are using NY’s lenient system to skip the country to Israel to escape prosecution and you call that a red herring?

That is utterly fascinating.

Tell me, what is 2 + 2?


222 posted on 07/28/2008 4:34:18 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: rmlew

“The problem in the US is taht the FBI and CIA work with the Muslim Brotherhood through CAIRA, and AADC.”

Oh yeah - that really helped them getting their asses kicked in Afghanistan and Iraq.


223 posted on 07/28/2008 4:36:22 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: montag813

“Do you just want Jews to be lemmings and lay down and die when black savages or madmen diaperheads attack their houses of worship, homes, and businesses?”

Do you really think a bunch of yahoos running around the woods with “ak47s” is going to do anything?

There is a great protection program and its called the NRA -great for Dad, Mom, and even the kids.

Ours took their hunter safety course at 12 and I taught the family how to shoot - butcher, and fillet too.

PS and for self protection, think No 4 Buck in a slug gun and not an AK 47 - 180 “rounds” in 3 sec.


224 posted on 07/28/2008 4:58:43 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: Levante

Don’t feel like the Lone Ranger.


225 posted on 07/28/2008 4:59:17 PM PDT by sport
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To: Hacksaw

Your true colours are always displayed, but now you are making extra obvious.


226 posted on 07/28/2008 5:02:36 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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To: spanalot
There is a great protection program and its called the NRA -great for Dad, Mom, and even the kids.

And these guys believe in it big time. But you can't always use deadly force, and so Krav Maga, which is probably the most practical martial art, is taught as well.

227 posted on 07/28/2008 5:05:33 PM PDT by montag813
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To: spanalot
"Like I said, not only is NY the Jews best friend, it is a haven for criminals like child molesters to evade prosecution by fleeing to Israel."

It's evident you have a duel problem, Jews & New York. There is always a schmuck in every crowd.

228 posted on 07/28/2008 5:16:34 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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To: PA Engineer

Aye, it is a nice area. We’re gonna spend some time at Stockton lake next week! My wife is from Higginsville, up in your neck of the woods.


229 posted on 07/28/2008 6:05:43 PM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: spanalot

If you think you might be too drunk to post, you are too drunk to post.


230 posted on 07/28/2008 6:09:26 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: spanalot

It has been almost 24 hours, and I am STILL waiting for an answer to my disclosures in posts 172 and 177. You impugned my integrity and I gave you FACTS to refute your insults. Be a MAN and admit you are WRONG! I identified myself, my service record and my business.

Admit you are wrong or you are a weasel, in addition to being a Jew-baiter.


231 posted on 07/28/2008 6:16:10 PM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: spanalot
How dare you insinuate that Jews in NY deserve better protection than the rest of the population.

Well, the fact of the matter is they need protection more -- Jewish institutions around the world have been targeted by terrorist attacks, like the community center in Seattle.

Even if they don't, everyone -- including yourself -- is free to start a group just like this to protect another community. That's what the 2nd Amendment is about. Or are you a gun grabbing commie?

232 posted on 07/28/2008 6:21:09 PM PDT by ChicagoHebrew (Hell exists, it is real. It's a quiet green meadow populated entirely by Arab goat herders.)
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To: ExpatGator
We’re gonna spend some time at Stockton lake next week!

I'm envious. We really miss that place (as well as the sulfur water at Lake Stockton Hotel). We would drive down late Friday night, spend Saturday morning cleaning and re-teaking the boat, Saturday afternoon waiting around for the wind to pick up, and Sunday mornings catching the wind as we were leaving. It was the same pattern every weekend. Funny thing is we would do it all over again if we had the chance. I can't count the number of anchors I left on the bottom of that lake.

Were back in PA now and living in a rural area outside of Pittsburgh. Wife, originally was from St. Louis. My 15 year old daughter just corrected me on my dates. We were in MO 90 to 93.

Do you have a boat down there?
233 posted on 07/28/2008 6:34:51 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media. Liberty, Equality, Fraternity and Free Laz.)
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To: PA Engineer

We just have a little tri-v fishing boat and a canoe. We spend more time in the canoe, especially now with the cost of go-juice. I grew up in Florida. Saltwater commercial and sportfishing was my thing. Did a little blow-boating, and must say that it is looking more appealing all the time. Just don’t tell my buddies who are still in FL running big Hatteras and Huckins boats.


234 posted on 07/28/2008 6:47:36 PM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: ExpatGator
Did a little blow-boating, and must say that it is looking more appealing all the time. Just don’t tell my buddies who are still in FL running big Hatteras and Huckins boats.

With the price of fuel I bet they are taking longer looks at the blow-boats. When you are in Stockten, please keep an eye out for an ODAY 222. We sold it when we moved back east. Great boat and would not be surprised if it was still blowing around there (unlike the Hunters). Heck, an electric trolling motor with the onboard sonar might do the fishing trick for blow-boats.
235 posted on 07/28/2008 7:09:19 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media. Liberty, Equality, Fraternity and Free Laz.)
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To: spanalot

Are you gonna answer me in regards my replies to your false accusations/insults?


236 posted on 07/28/2008 7:34:14 PM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: spanalot
Excuse me - We lost more Americans of all races on 9/11 than Pearl Harbor. There were far more Non Jews than Jews.

Quite true. But I haven't seen Islamic terrorist attack Christian Day Centers as they have Jewish centers (Seattle), or there being Islamist bomb plots against churches as there are against Synagogues.

How dare you insinuate that Jews in NY deserve better protection than the rest of the population.
How dare you insist that a specifically targeted population not have the right to defend itself, specifically because it is Jews.

237 posted on 07/28/2008 8:16:24 PM PDT by rmlew (Liberalism is like AIDS; it destroys the natural defenses of a nation or civilization.)
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To: spanalot
I am wasting my time. Obviously you are unable to process contradictory information, or begin to comprehend that there might be inconsistancies in US policy. But think of it as during the cold war, many communist front groups operated in the US and some worked with certain administrations, even as we were supposedly containing communism.

I can come up with quite a bit, but you refuse to even consider it. - Proven Truths About CAIR -

A Troubling Influence
CAIR Backs Down from Anti-CAIR

238 posted on 07/28/2008 8:21:47 PM PDT by rmlew (Liberalism is like AIDS; it destroys the natural defenses of a nation or civilization.)
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To: spanalot
Spanalot, Jews forming self-defense groups, neighborhood watch, and < ahref="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_TIPS">civilian anti-terrorist patrols is just too ominous for you. Despite there being no evidence of Israeli leadership, you continue to lie and call this an IDF paramilitary program.

And then, instead of dealing with your inability to support your claims, you decide to claim that Israeli does not extradite criminals, when it actually extradited the pedophile.
So not only is that an unrelated and spurious issue meant to distract(red herring), it is false. Have you no shame, honor, dignity? Or is your only uniting issue hatred of Israel and distrust of anything relating to it?

239 posted on 07/28/2008 8:37:14 PM PDT by rmlew (Liberalism is like AIDS; it destroys the natural defenses of a nation or civilization.)
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To: spanalot

You sound like a ceertain whacko who spams on usenet..


240 posted on 07/28/2008 9:19:01 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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