Posted on 07/24/2008 6:56:42 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
Top Astronaut: 'Aliens Do Exist'
11:37am UK, Thursday July 24, 2008 Aliens do exist and have even contacted humans on Earth, according to top astronaut Dr Edgar Mitchell who was the sixth man on the Moon. l-alien
Dr Edgar Mitchell says aliens are just like little men
The truth has been hidden by governments for more than 60 years, the Moon walker says.
And he claims he is lifting the lid on a conspiracy to keep aliens a secret.
Dr Mitchell, who was on Apollo 14 in 1971, has told how he was aware of many UFO visits to Earth during his career with Nasa but each one was covered up.
The 77-year-old claims the space agency made contact with aliens, describing the beings as "little people who look strange to us".
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Vee haff our vays!
Including this...
Hey, I’m the resident UFO something or other hereon so if I say a UFO thread can have interesting sidebars, tough tacos to those who disagree! LOL.
My Dissertation chairman was a brilliant Mormon. He was happy with my using both a phenomenological and an empirical approach.
I certainly think both have a place.
KNOWING one’s spouse on honeymoon night
HAD BETTER BE after the Hebrews instead of after the Greeks if one wants the spouse to be around the 2nd night and one’s self to not be in jail for murder!
There’s a time for minute dissection and a time for holistic, immersed perspective.
And, then, there’s the whole silly notion that
there IS
such a thing as OBJECTIVE in the first place.
Even quantum physics seems to say no, there isn’t.
that your bias is wholesale vulnerable to a TYPE II ERROR
wayyyyyyyyyyy
disproportionately to a TYPE I ERROR
and very IRRATIONALLY, UNSCIENTIFICALLY SO.
It doesn't fly in the natural sciences, yet that is how they operate. Most objective scientists will deny that is the scientific method and assert objectivity no matter what. If you ask who is making the assertion they will excuse themselvs and go back to their computers.
All well and good. The problem is that these errors refer to HYPOTHESES. I think we're still talking about an assertion of FACT ("aliens do exist and are/have visted earth"), so I fail to see what Type I and II have to do with it, as much as you seem to love throwing the terms around.
"A type I error occurs when one rejects the null hypothesis when it is true"
So, in order for me to be committing a Type I error, the existence of aliens would have to be true. Unfortunately, you'll have a hard time convincing me (and many others) that that is true without proof.
"A type II error occurs when one rejects the alternative hypothesis (fails to reject the null hypothesis) when the alternative hypothesis is true."
So what alternative (reality) are you suggesting that I am rejecting, and what PROOF of said reality do you offer?
Yep.
1. TRADITIONAL TYPE I ERROR: NULL HYP IS TRUE BUT REJECTED
2. TRADITIONAL TYPE II ERROR: NULL HYP IS FALSE BUT ACCEPTED
PUT MORE COMMUNICATIVELY:
3. TYPE I ERROR:
A) The TRUE/objective/tangible/real SITUATION is that NOTHING is there.
B) But the conclusion is that THAT belief is WRONG.
4. TYPE II ERROR:
A) The TRUE/objective/tangible/REAL SITUATION is that THERE REALLY IS SOMETHING THERE.
B) But the conclusion/BELIEF is that NOTHING IS THERE.
With regard to the UFO etc. stuff. . . .
The naysayers typically have the bar--the level of confidence, belief, proof--however one cares to put it--that SOMETHING IS THERE sooooooooooooooo high, that it's virtually a certainty that they will fall victim to a TYPE II ERROR.
Most hereon sound like
They will NOT accept that ANYTHING is there unless and until it lands in THEIR front yard at 12:00 on a Saturday when the Mayor, High School science teachers; nearest college physic profs; CNN, NBC, ABC Presidents and news crews and the New York times science editor all just happen to be over for a BAR-B-Q 30 min before the UFO appears and hangs around for 3 hours sharing BAR-B-Q and giving a presentation on faster than light travel that even Marge Simpson would understand.
WELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, EXCUSE ME!
They're going to be waiting a long time for THAT set of contingencies to BE THERE.
UFO's could have landed on the Capital Mall and marched the congress, the bureaucracy, all the lobbyists, the Supreme Court and all the military personnel for a 100 miles around into their huge mother ship and carted them off to Alpha Centauri fully carried live on CNN and THAT contingency would STILL not have happened. And some naysayers hereon sound like they would STILL be crying--DIDN'T HAPPEN! NO PROOF! YADA YADA YADA.
This sort of mentality has always baffled me somewhat, even as a psychologist. Why so much cluelessness? Why does extreme avoidance of a rattlesnake convince them that it's wonderful to play with a Water Moccasin?
BOTH ERRORS ARE DEADLY!
One has to set the criteria realistically. Yet, naysayer after naysayer does NOT DO SO. Why?
Often, it seems truly like pride and an addiction to a mindless sort of religion of scientism. This false conclusion; this false construction on reality that "OBJECTIVE" reality that one can touch and handle and measure with a micrometer is the ONLY REALITY--is absurd.
Smugness based on an extreme TYPE II ERROR is still stupid. One can be just as smugly dead from a TYPE II ERROR as from a TYPE I error.
Court cases demonstrate day in and day out convicting folks to death that expert testimony is a valid route to truth. yet naysayers hereon routinely disavow at a 100% level 100% of ALL expert testimony. That's dumb, stupid, clueless.
Then they sound all super scientifically righteous and erudite in their tones and wording when, in fact, they've just demonstrated abject stupidity--swallowing virtually a certain TYPE II ERROR hook line and sinker without a bobble of awareness that they've done so.
Color me underwhelmed. I'll take my 47 years of honing my screening criteria for puzzle pieces over such blind, mindless addiction to a TYPE II ERROR probability, any day, week, month, year, decade, century, millenium.
No! Do you mean all the democrats got them?
It’s all satan’s until Christ’s return; even earth is his domain until them
Whoops,somebody’s been taking pictures of the peace marches in Ithaca!
The unfortunate difference in our positions is that you could prove me wrong and end the debate by coming up with proof. I can never prove you wrong because I really can't prove a negative (namely, that aliens have NEVER visited earth, or that, at the very least, there is no credible evidence that they ever have). And so you can go on and on and on, pontificating about Type I and Type II errors, and going through all sorts of logical contortions which conveniently avoid having to prove anything. Lots of people have made lots of money over the years off of people like you.
Maybe I should create and sell a radio which I'll claim will allow people to contact aliens. It would be based on information gathered from abductees (har-har) as to the correct frequencies and such, although conveniently for me, you could never be sure which of the multitude of frequencies used by the aliens (according to the abductees, har-har again) they might actually be listening on. So, although I made the radio and sold it to you, and assured you that it could indeed be used to talk to the aliens that we both *know* are out there, the thing never actually works for you. And so you sit in your back yard, playing with your knobs, while I sit on a beach somewhere sipping a Mai Tai paid for with your money, which you willingly gave to me in exchange for a bogus "alien radio" made of spare parts from my last 3 PCs.
Voila! I'm Stanton Friedman II! I'm just hawking "alien radios" instead of books.
Whatever. Maybe some day, you'll be vindicated when the greys finally decide to beam down and say "Hi".
Certainly would explain many things, eh?
Whadya MEAN "OOps"?
Looks like a Type THREE error!
Enjoy your assumptions.
I don’t have much motivation to try and prove anything to naysayers.
It gets weary-ing for virtually negligible benefit.
Everyone will see far sooner than I’d prefer.
Besides, at some point, I’m a firm believer in folks who have a death grip on silly assumptions experiencing the harvest of their sowing.
I’ve had to experience the harvest of some of my silly assumptions. Far be it from me to rob any stubborn soul of their well deserved learning experiences.
LOL.
Because I dont buy into your supposed ‘evidence’, and dont give any credence to what you say, that is a ‘personal jab’?...am I surprised that you would say that?...no, not at all....rather I expected it....simply because there are all types of people who think someone is attacking them personally, simply because that other person, does not agree with their views...it seems you would place yourself in that category....sad, really....but carry on, believing that people are attacking you personally, when all they are doing is disagreeing with your opinion and your views...if it makes you happy to think others are attacking you personally, because they dont agree with your views, so be it..keep yourself happy...
Besides these threads are fun, just for the comments...I quite enjoy them...
The really sad thing is, I am always open to the possibility, that life exists elsewhere other than earth...I simply dont see your ‘evidence’ as supporting or proving that....and if you want to take the personally, be my guest...
Oh, bravo, quite well said, and appreciated....
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