This realm seems apropos as well.
Posted on 07/24/2008 6:56:42 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
Top Astronaut: 'Aliens Do Exist'
11:37am UK, Thursday July 24, 2008 Aliens do exist and have even contacted humans on Earth, according to top astronaut Dr Edgar Mitchell who was the sixth man on the Moon. l-alien
Dr Edgar Mitchell says aliens are just like little men
The truth has been hidden by governments for more than 60 years, the Moon walker says.
And he claims he is lifting the lid on a conspiracy to keep aliens a secret.
Dr Mitchell, who was on Apollo 14 in 1971, has told how he was aware of many UFO visits to Earth during his career with Nasa but each one was covered up.
The 77-year-old claims the space agency made contact with aliens, describing the beings as "little people who look strange to us".
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Last night, Hoagland kept responding to George needling him over a ‘credible source like his wife’ telling him she’d seen a UFO land int he backyard with, “I’d investigate”. George was pushing for ‘I’d believe her’, but Richard wouldn’t go there. He was trying so hard to keep the posture of ‘objective scientist’.
Hoagland answered correctly, the astronaut hasn’t been scientific. Hoagland is a skeptic, which is a person who would investigate, and Mitchell is accepting reports in lieu of investigation.
Your friends are your business contracts and your dog. What do you think of Libet’s scientific method?
That was eactly Richard’s point. But then he went off into a strange tangent.
There’s all manner of conceivable possibilities. Walling them all off as impossible by fiat is certainly not scientific
I never walled off any possibilities. Lots of things are "possible" or "conceivable", but this thread is about claims of fact.
So is this whole thread just a discussion about fantasies and possibilities rather than a discussion of the assertion by this ex-astronaut of alien visitations, etc., as REALITY? The basis of this thread is an ex-astronaut who claims that not only are there aliens, not only have they been visiting earth for decades, but various shadowy government entities have been examing their bodies and spacecraft, in secret, for decades.
As I have said so many times before, apart from being terribly unlikely (not impossible, but unlikely), there has never been any serious proof of any of the myriad claims of the UFOlogist cultists. And for you to continually suggest that no one here who disagrees with you has read the "evidence", as if that is a substitute for fact, reason, and reality, is a waste of everyone's time. If aliens are real, if they've been visiting earth, then present the evidence that PROVES it. And that takes more than a bunch of eyewitness accounts, stories of abductions, supposed other-worldly knowledge among primative tribesmen, fuzzy photos, jerky, poorly focused videos, and musings about other dimensions or imagined communications between atoms.
Unless of course, you are asking everyone to accept the existence of aliens as a matter of faith? That would put UFOlogy in the realm of religion, not science.
Hoagland, like many, does not take well to personal talk in a public forum. George does not either. George pushed a little.
Consider that UFOlogy might be very comfortable in the realm of psychology.
Of course not, its just been too much fun keeping this thread going! I am well aware that I am wasting my time just as much as Quix and others are, but its still fun. And Quix is really a very good sport.
I had to look him up . . . not one I focus on in my intro classes . . .
not sure if I am answering your question, or not.
BTW, a dogpile list of stuff on him is here:
He was clever in his research methods.
His contentions seem plausible enough.
He may be overly reductionistic for my taste . . . though if I understand aright, he is almost postulating in later stuff a ‘mind’ beyond the synapses.
I do strongly believe that many VERY SUBTLE NUANCE STUFF is perceived and acted on at unconscious and barely conscious levels toward very great impact on the individual and on their relationships and actions.
If I haven’t gotten near your question, please ask a more specific one.
Thx.
I wouldn’t want to discuss specifics on his work on this forum, but his method of combining subjective report with experimental objective data seems like a fair attempt to bridge a gap that mainline physical science doesn’t address. The threads about recent brain scans seem to be along this line but aren’t getting to the crux of the matter. The physical scientists such as Penrose are missing the point, I believe. Should subjective report and objective data be combined, or would this no longer be considered scientific?
You still haven’t dealt with the
fact
that your bias is wholesale vulnerable to a TYPE II ERROR
wayyyyyyyyyyy
disproportionately to a TYPE II ERROR
and very IRRATIONALLY, UNSCIENTIFICALLY SO.
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I can make raspberries on the keyboard.
Doing them with my lips was a very late in adult life achievement for some reason. And still is not 100% fool proof. LOL.
Like I showed at #301??
Mostly
I try to keep relationships clear;
forgive all promptly for everything;
give folks the freedom to be human, themselves, to fail . . . even to be clueless . . .
And, I love people a lot. All kinds and varieties. And I enjoy their variety.
Double standard stuff; hypocritical stuff; . . . annoys me more than a lot of other stuff. However, even that is just human stuff.
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