Riddle of Lusitania sinking may finally be solved

The Times (London) ^

[nickcarraway]

American entrepreneur Gregg Bemis finally gets courts go-ahead to explore the wreck off Ireland

It is the best known shipwreck lying on the Irish seabed, but it is only today that the owner of the Lusitania will finally begin the first extensive visual documentation of the luxury liner that sank 93 years ago.

Gregg Bemis, who bought the remains of the vessel for £1,000 from former partners in a diving business in 1968, has been granted an imaging licence by the Department of the Environment. This allows him to photograph and film the entire structure, and should allow him to produce the first high-resolution pictures of the historic vessel.

The RMS Lusitania sank off the coast of Cork in May 1915 when a German U-boat torpedoed it. An undetermined second explosion is believed to have speeded its sinking, with 1,198 passengers and crew losing their lives.

Bemis is hoping that the week-long filming project, which begins today, will prove his theory that the Lusitania was carrying explosives, and that these were the cause of the mysterious second blast.

“I want to find out where the second explosion took place and why,” he said. “I believe there were explosives on board. I can tell the whole world that, but they’re not going to believe me until we get down there and get proof.”

JWM Productions will film the project for a television series to be shown on the Discovery Channel next year.

The 80-year-old entrepreneur only won the right to explore the wreckage,

[LS]

Just what I thought. Churchill, the Mason, and surely a member of the Trilateral Commission, managed to put a passenger ship right in front of a U-boat that was NOT EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE THERE, and told it how fast to go.

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?

[LS]

Oh yeah, the Rothschilds and certainly the "joooooossss" were involved too.

Please.

[OESY]

Welcome to the real world: Yes, Virginia, there are such people as war profiteers. Perhaps, you had not heard of them? Wasn't it Voltaire who said: ”History is a lie commonly agreed on“. Try to grow up, Virginia.

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[OESY]

However, I do have to give you credit for a not so clever diversion from the central argument. Nice try, Virginia.

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[LS]

Yes, Virginia, there are conspiracy whackos on FR. Sad, but true.

[OESY]

You may recall (or not--I don't want to give credit where it is not due) that the most prominent American to be blamed for war profiteering was J. P. Morgan. I don't know whether he was a member of any particular religion or the Masons. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. I'll leave it to such as you to (crudely) associate "war profiteering" with whatever groups come to your twisted little mind, but you still have avoided dealing with the central issue.

For instance, you may want to answer the question why Churchill decided to cancel plans to send the HMS Juno to escort the Lusitania through U-Boat infested waters when he knew the Germans had been leaked information on the ammunition and were planning an attack?

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[Oztrich Boy]

yada yada

The ship Lusitania was sunk off the Irish coast on May 7th 1915. The inquest damned the experienced pilot of the Lusitania, Captain William Turner for not following the established defensive custom of avoiding the U. Boats that gathered in the shallow waters off the Irish coast. In fact he almost ran into them, despite knowing in advance where they lay.

The inquest also stated that although the Lusitania could outrun the subs, it was going at a much slower pace, and not zig-zagging as Admiralty practise dictated in its orders, especially as the destroyer escort H.M.S. Juno had been instructed to abandon the Lusitania some while previously.

Winston Churchill was in charge at the Admiralty, the intelligence received by him. Lord Rothschild, his mentor ...

(33rd degree mason) (Hebrew) (worship of money). ...

Churchill and the Rothschild syndicate planned to push the German authorities in every way into sinking the Lusitania. This is known in intelligence circles slang as a “dangle”.

Brought by OESY straight from http://www.illuminati-news.com to you.

Lesson one: On the Internet everybody can find out where you get your garbage from

• HMS Juno

• Not destroyer escort, it was a 20 year old second class cruiser
• It had no anti-submarine capabilty, and was patrolling against merchant raiders and blockade runners.
• Juno could barely make 19kts when new, now slower. For it to "escort" Lusitania, the Lusty would have had to slow down even further.
• THE GRIPPING HAND: If the Lusitania has any naval escort, it becomes a legitimate military target by the rules of war current at the time.

[OESY]

Note I edited out as irrelevant the “garbage” you thought important to include. If you want to highlight inflammatory statements, I'll defend to your death your right to do so, but that was your shameful decision alone.

The basic question remains: Why was the Lusitania carrying munitions when it was inevitable that information would leak out, and did leak out, thereby making the Lusitania a valid military target—unless that was the game plan to neutralize American antiwar sentiments?

[LS]

Clearly he was a trilaterialist and a Bilderburger. Oddly, the biggest industrialist in America was opposed to the war and took a goofy “peace ship” to Europe to “stop it,” reminiscent of the “human shields.” Yep, Henry Ford, war profiteer.

[Oztrich Boy]

Note I edited out as irrelevant the “garbage” you thought important to include.

Actually I ddin't notice that you had santized that slab of text.

But I'll wear

. If you want to highlight inflammatory statements

that was your shameful decision alone.

Not going along the your sanitzation of your source?

Shame! Shame! Shame!

The basic question remains:

Assumes facts not in evidence

[nkycincinnatikid]

I struggle to deconstruct your meaning. Based upon the information of your post Ford was already in 1914 Americas greatest industrialist. I assume that may be correct. Yet you call him a war profiteer for seeking to end the war? That just makes no sense to me. He himself acted as a human shield by traveling to Europe on a peace mission? Did he run the English blockade straight to Hamburg with a load of model T’s? What is your point? BTW, my bona fides, I drive a Chevy Silverado, and my first car was a Corvair.

[LS]

My point is, in every war industrialists and financiers are the LAST ones to want war. There is excellent evidence in Niall Ferguson's new book, The War of the World, to show that both the NY and world stock markets were surprised by the outbreak of war, and that they were all losers. Yes, some groups always make a few profits in war, but usually capitalism suffers badly when you kill consumers, destroy trade routes and blow up investments. Plenty of economic studies show that world trade suffered badly from WW I.

My larger point is, it's laughable that some guy in the Admiralty was so omnipotent that he could not only maneuver his own ships (and not even a government, but a private ship) like a pawn on a chessboard, but that he could actually manipulate enemy ships---and not even ships, but the stealthiest of all ships, submarines!! This is up there with "there were no people on board the 9/11 planes" or "FDR set up the 7th Fleet to get us into war." Goofy, and ridiculous.

[SunkenCiv]

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