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1 posted on 07/17/2008 6:32:34 AM PDT by Nony
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To: Nony
Americans, with their BlackBerrys and laptops, funded, organized, lectured and critiqued them

oooh, and don't forget powerpoint presentations, lots and lots and lots of powerpoint presentations with neat little graphics dropping in, fading out, graphs, bullets falling in place one at a time.

I wish there was a choice - 3 lashes with a leather strap or a half hour powerpoint presentation.

2 posted on 07/17/2008 6:40:08 AM PDT by Sax (this idea was not a practical deterrent, for reasons which, at this moment, must be all too obvious)
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“Refined Americans became more concerned over questions of gender, race and class justice in our universities and courtrooms....”

No. We didn’t, not for a minute. This from the same guy who buys the Leftist propaganda that the “War on Terror” is an “unpopular war”.

I love VDH....most of the time. Perhaps he forgot the quote marks around “Refined” or meant “Condescending Americans with nothing more productive to do, and who view themselves as somehow more refined....”


3 posted on 07/17/2008 6:44:33 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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Liberalism and environmentalism have exported the heavy manufacturing industries that were used by generations of hard-working but less educated people to get a toe-hold in the middle class, so their families could live in relative comfort. They sent their children to college, and those children turned around and invented earth day, gaia, and the idea that steel mills, oil refineries, coal mines, and appliance factories were a blight on the earth.

Today, the people who would have been able to find well paid jobs in those industries are selling crack to their neighbors’ kids and voting for Democrats, who give them a pittance and re-make the economy for the benefit of college-educated dilettantes like themselves.


4 posted on 07/17/2008 6:44:38 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Without the second, the rest are just politicians' BS.)
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The sadness of the situation is, the American people did not (directly) make any of the decisions to export our whole economy and manufacturing base...the liberal democrats did that for us.

I don't buy into the claim that foreigners will do the jobs "Americans won't do"...maybe jobs that SOME Americans won't do...but if people get hungry enough, they'll do anything they need to, to survive.

Meanwhile, the liberals have managed to pile enough useless regulation, and punitive taxes on companies that they actually find it cheaper and easier to move to another country, make good, and import them rather than make them here. Every year we hear of hundreds of companies chucking it in, and moving to Mexico, China, or whereever, to escape the (never thought I would say this about our country)oppressive American government.

People long for the America we once knew; an America which fed and clothed it own; most small towns had a small industry or two to provide jobs and security for people to live and raise their children.

After 50 years of mostly liberal rule, we find that the jobs that have not left our shores, are all herded together in the major cities, requiring ungodly commutes, which waste time and gas. Also, the left knows that when you concentrate the population into a single place, they are easier to control.

I was raised in a cotton mill town down south...it wasn't much but we always knew Dad would have a job, we could sleep with our doors unlocked, and gas was 19-cents a gallon. I say that not to conjure up a fictious place like "Pleasantville" but to illustrate the imporantance of an America that relied on itself for goods, services, and government.

The way the libs run things often reminds me of the Aesop's Fable about the man, his son, and the donkey; no matter how the man tried, he couldn't please the critics he met on his journey. The libs are like that too; such a guilt-ridden and anal bunch, they think we should try to please every little whining special interest group who can combine more than 10 words to file a complaint.

Sorry, got off on a rant there...

Bottom line, I don't really blame the companies for going overseas, I blame the government for running them off.
5 posted on 07/17/2008 6:57:07 AM PDT by FrankR (Liberalism is Communism by the drink - P.J. O'Roarke)
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To: Nony
The sadness of the situation is, the American people did not (directly) make any of the decisions to export our whole economy and manufacturing base...the liberal democrats did that for us.

I don't buy into the claim that foreigners will do the jobs "Americans won't do"...maybe jobs that SOME Americans won't do...but if people get hungry enough, they'll do anything they need to, to survive.

Meanwhile, the liberals have managed to pile enough useless regulation, and punitive taxes on companies that they actually find it cheaper and easier to move to another country, make good, and import them rather than make them here. Every year we hear of hundreds of companies chucking it in, and moving to Mexico, China, or whereever, to escape the (never thought I would say this about our country)oppressive American government.

People long for the America we once knew; an America which fed and clothed it own; most small towns had a small industry or two to provide jobs and security for people to live and raise their children.

After 50 years of mostly liberal rule, we find that the jobs that have not left our shores, are all herded together in the major cities, requiring ungodly commutes, which waste time and gas. Also, the left knows that when you concentrate the population into a single place, they are easier to control.

I was raised in a cotton mill town down south...it wasn't much but we always knew Dad would have a job, we could sleep with our doors unlocked, and gas was 19-cents a gallon. I say that not to conjure up a fictious place like "Pleasantville" but to illustrate the imporantance of an America that relied on itself for goods, services, and government.

The way the libs run things often reminds me of the Aesop's Fable about the man, his son, and the donkey; no matter how the man tried, he couldn't please the critics he met on his journey. The libs are like that too; such a guilt-ridden and anal bunch, they think we should try to please every little whining special interest group who can combine more than 10 words to file a complaint.

Sorry, got off on a rant there...

Bottom line, I don't really blame the companies for going overseas, I blame the government for running them off.
6 posted on 07/17/2008 6:57:25 AM PDT by FrankR (Liberalism is Communism by the drink - P.J. O'Roarke)
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Americans don't care about country or origin.

While everyone in this forum will jump on that bandwagon, statistics would have it that 1/2 of you drive a foreign made car. The American does not put is money where his mouth is on this issue, that simple.

Wal-Mart is number one, and where is most the stuff made?

11 posted on 07/17/2008 8:25:00 AM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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I’m hoping for a post-Democrat or post-liberalism America.


12 posted on 07/17/2008 9:07:16 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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” It must be ready to pay off generations of debt rather than borrow,...”

FWIW, Canada's national debt peaked at about 75% of GDP in the late 1990s (AFAIK, that's about 10 percentage points above the current U.S. national debt.) It's been declining ever since, and is now down to about 50% of GDP.

We got debt because of decades of overspending by Liberal governments. Most people believed the propaganda, based on a twisted version of Keynesianism, that said government deficits are good for the economy. Now, governments are now expected to bring in budget surpluses & make payments on the debt — every year.

The turn around was painful — but, we did it before we got the recent boost from rising commodity prices (which barely offset our losses in the industrial sector). The U.S. could turn things around quickly too — but, not if you elect a tax and spend President & Congress.

16 posted on 07/17/2008 9:23:44 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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Obama does strike me as being the post-turtle candidate.
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While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old Texas rancher, who‘s hand was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his bid to be our President.

The old rancher said, "Well, ya know, Obama is a 'post turtle'."

Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a 'post turtle' was.

The old rancher said, "When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a 'post turtle'."

The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctor's face, so he continued to explain. "You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, he doesn't know what to do while he is up there, and you just wonder what kind of a dumb ass put him up there."

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

21 posted on 07/17/2008 9:57:47 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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I just might write-in VHD for president. In my leftoid state, an Obama victory is foregone conclusion.
29 posted on 07/17/2008 11:25:15 AM PDT by mojito
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Sounds like a typical liberals wet dream in the first part.


30 posted on 07/17/2008 1:33:30 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: Nony; neverdem; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; Alouette; ...


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33 posted on 07/18/2008 4:52:44 AM PDT by Tolik
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