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Posted on 07/13/2008 9:25:13 AM PDT by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
If she wasn’t threatening anyone though...would it not be more reasonable to put it away, send her back to class, and give it back at the end of the day and tell her not to bring toys to school. That’s the way it used to be done.
So, here’s the thing of it.
People who preach “zero tolerance” have zero credibility with me. My kids were in public schools only because as a non-custodial parent I had no say in the matter. What I did do was to teach my kids:
1. Respect authority.
2. Don’t be stupid.
3. If you’ve followed rules 1 & 2, stand your ground.
This year the rules got tested when another student assaulted my daughter. She laid him out. The principal invoked the zero tolerance rule and suspended both of them even though my daughter was merely defending herself.
So far, no problem. The schools policies suck, but rules are rules and she was ready to accept the consequences of her actions.
Then the principal upped the ante. This huge man has my daughter alone in his office and says that he is going to search her. She shoved him away and ran out of the school. The principal expelled her, again citing (IMO misinterpreting the statute) their insipid zero tolerance rules.
As “frosting on the cake” they then turned her in as a truant. The courts issued a bench warrant for her arrest and detainment when she failed to go to a hearing where she would be ordered back to school.
My daughter ran away rather than be forced to go back to that place and that man.
I have a restraining order against me forbidding contact with the principal or the school, which is for the best because one of us would leave in a body bag.
Needless to say, I have little sympathy for the public school system or the half-wits who made them the way they are. My child was in immediate danger and the system failed her. I no longer care if teachers are scared - except of me. They ought to be...
IBUPROFUN???!!!! Even though the Appeals Court ruled correctly, the fact that absurd stuff like this goes on in government schools is yet anther reason to homeschool.
I’d wager everybody has some point at which they’d want the kid strip searched. There’s no such thing as principle anymore.
You’re right. And birth control pills, taken in excessive amounts as an attempt to force an abortion, can thus endanger a girl’s health. And they increase other health risks - because girls taking them are far more likely to be engaging in activity that results in STDs.
Typographical error. ‘(’ is the SHIFT KEY alternate of ‘9’.
Although now that you mention it :)
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Only the police should be brought in to even think about strip searching a minor, if they truly think they have a weapon or illegal drugs. Even THEN — the police would be foolish and insane to strip search a minor outside of the presence of a parent or guardian. No parent in their right mind would consent to have their child strip searched without the advice of an attorney, I don’t care WHAT the circumstances. Situations as described are way too volatile and can get out of hand too quickly, with mess legal ramifications.
Homeschooling does have its privileges.
That sucks, I’m sorry to hear that.
I checked my kids’ school before they went and breathed a sigh of relief. There is zero tolerance for starting fights, but a kid is allowed to use reasonable and necessary force to protect himself. So mine could lay out their attackers and receive no punishment, but hitting them after they’re down isn’t allowed.
During hunting season, my kids were allowed to take rifles or shotguns to their high school.
Interesting. Given the court's language, it's hard to see how the US Attorney can not file criminal charges against the assistant principal under 18 USC 242:
TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 242Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both....
Still, I imagine they'll find a way.
My immediate thoughts as well; I agree with you.
≤}B^)
That's also another reason why I'm sending my children to private school.
I’d NEVER say THAT.
Gives them waaaay too much credit.
The 9th makes me glad that there is a Judge above them, and a Hell to toss them in.
Sorry, I was posting in general, not specifically to directed to your remarks. But this topic illustrates one of the basic problems of public (government) schools. A private school could deal with the situation by contract. Both Junior and his parents would know before hand what conduct would cause the school to exercise its right to cancel service to Junior. But government schools are conflicted by their obligation to provide service to every child, except in the most extreme case.
This is yet one more reason I favor vouchers so parents had the ability to choose and there would be many providers competing in a free marketplace.
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