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1 posted on 06/29/2008 10:25:47 AM PDT by Dysart
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To: Dysart

“But these data show that consciousness is just the tip of the iceberg. This doesn’t rule out free will, but it does make it implausible.”

Just another reason I chose to be a Calvinist...


2 posted on 06/29/2008 10:33:07 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: Dysart

“But these data show that consciousness is just the tip of the iceberg. This doesn’t rule out free will, but it does make it implausible.”

Just another reason I chose to be a Calvinist...


3 posted on 06/29/2008 10:33:29 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: Dysart

They didn’t look at Obama, he makes decisions months after the data is in and he has made his first statement on the issue, then he insists that his current decsion is the one he had all the time.


4 posted on 06/29/2008 10:34:03 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: Dysart
"neural static -- waves of disruptive signals -- preceded an error by up to 30 seconds"

In poker it's evidenced by playing on the tilt.


5 posted on 06/29/2008 10:37:50 AM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Dysart
"The brain, they have found, appears to make up its mind 10 seconds before we become conscious of a decision"

Ummmmm.....No. The average person makes hundreds of reaction-decisions a day, in a split second.

10 posted on 06/29/2008 10:57:59 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Islam: Imagine a clown car.........with guns.)
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To: Allan
Interesting article.

I read The Stranger last night.

11 posted on 06/29/2008 11:26:21 AM PDT by ARridgerunner
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To: Dysart

Such experiments suggest that our best reasons for some choices we make are understood only by our cells. The findings lend credence to researchers who argue that many important decisions may be best made by going with our gut — not by thinking about them too much.


Well, they weren’t monitoring the making of important decisions here, were they? It might have been more interesting to monitor day traders, playing with their own $$.

As for the 10 second rule, this may explain why my mouth works faster than my brain.


12 posted on 06/29/2008 11:42:43 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Dysart; All
"We think our decisions are conscious," said neuroscientist John-Dylan Haynes at the Bernstein Center for Computational Neuroscience in Berlin, who is pioneering this research. "But these data show that consciousness is just the tip of the iceberg. This doesn't rule out free will, but it does make it implausible."

Little Voices

13 posted on 06/29/2008 11:57:01 AM PDT by musicman
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To: Dysart
Another way to interpet this data is that our brain is more like an orchestra than a soloist.

In order for an orchestra to properly play a symphonic work there needs to be days of solid practice and instruction by the conductor.

Similarly in order for our orchestra of neurons to come to the proper decision we need to train it in the proper environment to come up with the correct decision when the time comes.

So maybe our free will is applied more toward deciding which environments we want to live in, who our friends are, what we will be doing, etc. so that when crunch time comes we will automatically come to the correct conclusion.

15 posted on 06/29/2008 1:06:14 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Mase; expat_panama

ping


17 posted on 06/30/2008 1:33:48 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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18 posted on 06/30/2008 4:26:47 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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