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To: Crazieman

“McLame’s handlers must have told him people were livid and he’d better say something.

After all, he has a very long history of supporting a ruling of this type.”

Not just supported, introduced legislation to that effect.

Senators John McCain, John Warner, and Lindsay Graham – three of the primary authors of this legislation – have argued that this definition “simply establishes the jurisdiction of military commissions” and does not, in any way, authorize the arrest and indefinite detention of those who fall within this broad category.2

http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/usa/qna1006/3.htm
John Warner, John McCain, Lindsay Graham, “Looking Past the Tortured Distortions”, Wall Street Journal¸ October 2, 2006.

You Have the Right to Remain Silent…
McCain, Miranda, and Common Article 3.
September 20, 2006 National Review

“To oversimplify for explanation’s sake, the McCain amendment extends the Fifth Amendment privilege to alien enemy combatants held overseas. It did this for the express purpose of clarifying the meaning of the terms “cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment” (CID) in the United Nations Convention Against Torture. (That itself is ironic because Senator McCain, former Secretary of State Colin Powell, and others who supported the McCain Amendment are now faulting the Bush administration for trying to clarify impossibly vague terms in the Geneva Conventions’ Common Article 3.......

the McCain Amendment literally grants Fifth Amendment protection only insofar as government conduct could be considered “cruel, unusual and inhumane.” (As the McCain Amendment states: “the term ‘cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment’ means the cruel, unusual, and inhumane treatment or punishment prohibited by the Fifth … Amendment” )....

......Here, it is worth remembering (how could we forget?) that the whole purpose of the McCain amendment was to regulate coercive interrogation. The amendment was the direct product of an overwrought debate over something that was already illegal — namely, torture. Its purpose was to crack down on sub-torture conduct (i.e., cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment) as if it were torture so that, henceforth, the United States could not even be credibly accused of torture. ....

......This Supreme Court has already gone out of its way to find that Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions, which literally relates only to civil wars, somehow governs our patently international conflict with al Qaeda. To come to this conclusion, it had to ignore clear provisions that say Geneva rights, including Common Article 3, are supposed to be enforced diplomatically — i.e., not by courts. Moreover, the same Court has found that questioning which merely fails to alert a suspect that he has a right to counsel is constructively coercive and violates the Fifth Amendment. “

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NGI4MTZjZWE2ODdiNDkzMzA5NjkwZDA3OWU0NGQ1N


47 posted on 06/13/2008 1:03:54 PM PDT by AuntB (Vote Obama! ..........Because ya can't blame 'the man' when you are the 'man'.... Wanda Sikes)
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To: AuntB

McCain has soiled himself on so many issues, that it is impossible to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Look, you and I have nothing to gain by pointing out what a jacka— this man is. We both want Conservatism advanced. If he were a Conservative, we’d be backing him all the way.

I sometimes wonder what folks think, when they note that I have backed Conservatism without fail for the last ten years, but now see I can’t back McCain. All of a sudden a guy with McCain’s history trumps a guy with mine.

Has John towed the line 99% of the time? Have I?

I’m staying true to my values, and so is John McCain. I just can’t stay true to his.


67 posted on 06/13/2008 1:35:57 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Ooo what's that terrible smell? Oh, I stepped in a big pile of 'lesser of two evils'. Careful...)
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To: AuntB

The legislation that McCain voted for ‘prohibits an alien enemy unlawful combatant from invoking the Geneva Conventions as a source of rights during his trial by a military commission.’

It was Obama that opposed this legislation.


143 posted on 06/13/2008 4:10:11 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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