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Superdelegates can switch
American Thinker ^ | June 04, 2008 | Patrick Casey

Posted on 06/05/2008 5:12:02 AM PDT by Man50D

According to the media, Barack Obama has won the Democratic Presidential nomination (Obama Clinches Nomination; First Black Candidate to Lead a Major Party Ticket). That's only true if you count the so-called superdelegates. Neither Barack Obama (1750) nor Hillary Clinton (1624.5) has won enough elected delegates from the popular vote in the actual primaries and caucuses to hit the delegate number needed (2118) to seal the nomination.

That brings us to the one important thing that the major media (but not AT) aren't sharing with the public right now. Obama's nomination is secured only by the promised votes of the Democratic superdelegates -- and they are free to change their pledged support as often as they like, even right up until the time they place their vote at the Democratic convention in August. They are not bound to any candidate in any way, other than by their own word. As Obama has surpassed the 2118 delegate number by virtue of the changing whims of superdelegates once pledged to Hillary Clinton, can't the opposite happen between now and August?

That, in a nutshell, is why Hillary Clinton did not concede the race last night. The media did everything possible to throw her out, reporting at various times yesterday that Hillary was going to concede or that Hillary was going to force herself upon Obama as his Vice Presidential pick. The drive-by media is scared stiff that this thing is going to continue and rip apart the Democratic Party -- their party -- and they are doing everything in their power to put a stake through the hearts of the Clintons.

It won't work.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008dncconvention; 2008election; 2020election; election2008; election2020; hillary; obama; superdelegates
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The Obama loving media is trying to deceive the public with its own agenda.
1 posted on 06/05/2008 5:12:02 AM PDT by Man50D
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To: Man50D

The truth is even the popular vote delegates can legally switch.


2 posted on 06/05/2008 5:15:31 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Man50D

If the SDs switch often enough they might wind up with STDs.


3 posted on 06/05/2008 5:15:54 AM PDT by period end of story (Goodness inside)
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To: Man50D

Ubama’s Presidency is a given thing with the MSM, just like global warming, Darwinism/the theory of evolution, etc. Why are you trying to steal their thunder by pointing out silly little things like FACTS?!? ;-)


4 posted on 06/05/2008 5:21:49 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom and proud Rush Conservative with no dog in the presidential race now *sigh*)
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To: Man50D
Neither Barack Obama (1750) nor Hillary Clinton (1624.5) has won enough elected delegates from the popular vote in the actual primaries and caucuses to hit the delegate number needed (2118) to seal the nomination.

Who ever is choosen needs to see signs at all major events reading:

SELECTED, NOT ELECTED

5 posted on 06/05/2008 5:27:01 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Man50D

I won’t believe Hillary drops out until the November election is over. These ARE the Clintons, you know...


6 posted on 06/05/2008 5:27:20 AM PDT by captjanaway
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To: Man50D

I love the 1624.5 figure. *LOL* When I see that 1/2 man walking around, I’ll know it’s a Hillary delegate.


7 posted on 06/05/2008 5:29:05 AM PDT by IMissPresidentReagan ("If we were dog food, they'd take us off the shelf." Rep. Tom Davis on the "Republican Brand")
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To: Man50D

with the superdelegates in play, i guess we can say that Barack was “selected” not “elected”, can’t we?!!! ha!


8 posted on 06/05/2008 5:32:04 AM PDT by avital2
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To: Man50D

But the Superdelegates are all long-term Democrat Party operatives and insiders! If you can’t trust a long-term Democrat Party operative or insider, who can you trust?!?

The only reason Hillary Clinton is promoting her popular vote argument is so the Superdelegates have some political cover if it becomes necessary to knife Obama in the back. If for some reason yet to be determined (or revealed), Obama becomes suddenly radioactive, the Superdelegates can switch their votes, all the while intoning seriously about “heeding the will of the American People...”


9 posted on 06/05/2008 5:32:05 AM PDT by gridlock (Now that Polar Bears are protected under ESA, where do I go to apply for a permit to breathe?)
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To: AmericaUnited

The truth is even the popular vote delegates can legally switch.


No, only after the first ballot can they change.

The superdelegates have become a sort of oracular fog. They “know” the answer, but they ain’t talking.

People say they are afraid of a floor fight, but this is party politics at its best. To hell with the bloodless coronations that pass for conventions. It will be great to see a convention like in the days before TV. AND it will be a powerful civics lesson for the kids.


10 posted on 06/05/2008 5:44:10 AM PDT by bioqubit
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To: bioqubit
No, only after the first ballot can they change.

My understanding is that the pledged delegates, awarded during the primaries, are not supposed to switch until after the first ballot.

I think superdelegates can do absolutely anything they want (although they have to worry about their repuation if they break a promise to a powerful politician).

In any case, do we think that a superdelegate will be arrested and face jailtime for "voting wrong" on the first ballot?? The outcome will not be known until August, no matter what the media tells us.

11 posted on 06/05/2008 5:50:49 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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To: pillut48

Didn’t the media do a similar thing with the McCain selection? Since McCain was the most left leaning liberal of the Republican candidates, the MSM biased the news to report things favorable toward McCain, while under reporting positions of other genuinely conservative candidates. Basically conservative Republicans got blindsided by the media so now we have the presumptive nominee, McCain.
It’s a simple strategy, declare a winner, and the win is self-fulfilling. Even the dems are being blindsided by the media, and most don’t realize what’s happening.


12 posted on 06/05/2008 5:51:09 AM PDT by RLM
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To: gridlock

I need to incorporate that into a tagline...


13 posted on 06/05/2008 5:52:03 AM PDT by gridlock ( If Obama becomes "suddenly" radioactive, the Supers are going find new respect the Popular Vote.)
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To: Man50D
I'm just imagining the conflagration and chaos resulting from the 'super delegates' deciding it's better for the Party if Barack and Obama get some more comfortable seating arrangements.

In de back of de bus.
14 posted on 06/05/2008 5:56:52 AM PDT by mkjessup (Romania had the Ceausescus, America has the Clintons.)
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To: mkjessup

Oops, that should read “Barack and Michelle”, LOL

Actually “Barack & Obama” sounds like an ambulance chasing law firm, where’s the Breck Girl?!?


15 posted on 06/05/2008 5:57:43 AM PDT by mkjessup (Romania had the Ceausescus, America has the Clintons.)
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To: Man50D

Not only that, the superdelegates themselves are still switching.

In some cases, they have been forced to step down because of their own ongoing scandals.

In other cases, like one in Ft. Worth in Texas, the “rules” have things like a racial quota. I’ll post the newspaper article later today.

The names of the superdelegates themselves are in flux.

Pelosi is trying to force them to LOCK in this bunch WHILE Obama reportedly has a “pledged” majority.

Obama was selected not elected by the supposed DemocratIC party.


16 posted on 06/05/2008 5:59:55 AM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: mkjessup
Actually “Barack & Obama” sounds like an ambulance chasing law firm

All liberals are just glorified ambulance-chasers anyway--they prey on the misery and discontent of other people in order to get wealth and power for themselves.

17 posted on 06/05/2008 6:02:40 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: IMissPresidentReagan
I love the 1624.5 figure. *LOL* When I see that 1/2 man walking around, I’ll know it’s a Hillary delegate.

Andy: I’s a readin’ here jus’ the other day where’s there’s somethin’ like four hundred needy boys in this county alone, or one and a half boys per square mile.

Opie: There is?

Andy: There sho' is.

Opie: I never seen one, Pa.

Andy: Never seen one what?

Opie: A half boy.

Andy: Well, it’s not really a half a boy, it’s a ratio.

Opie: Horatio who?

Andy: Not Horatio – a ratio. It’s mathematics. ‘Rithmetic. Look, now, Opie. Just fergit that part of it. Fergit the part about the half a boy.

Opie: It’s purty hard to fergit a thing like that, Pa.

Andy: Well, try!

Opie: Poor Horatio...

< /Andy Griffith Show - Season 1 : “Opie’s Charity” >

18 posted on 06/05/2008 6:09:49 AM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: mkjessup

If you recall the Obama team juggling the seating of a mixed race audience to get some more white people in there and some asians in camera shot too, it is understandable that the delegates must lock in at some point so that Michelle can get the seating arangement finished by the convention.


19 posted on 06/05/2008 6:11:59 AM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: weegee

“Pelosi is trying to force them to LOCK in this bunch WHILE Obama reportedly has a “pledged” majority.”

She seems to have a pretty big stake in this. How likely is it that she simply will not allow another woman to be more powerful than she is?


20 posted on 06/05/2008 6:12:21 AM PDT by smalltownslick (All)
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