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Let Us by All Means Have an Honest Conversation About Race
Commentary magazine ^ | June 2008 | Linda Chavez

Posted on 05/28/2008 8:09:31 AM PDT by dmh191

[snip] And that brings us at last to the real question raised by this transfixing episode in our national life, which is not whether Jeremiah Wright is pernicious and hateful in his views. Anyone who is not in thrall to an ideological loathing of America can see that plainly enough. It is whether Obama is right when he asserts that Wright and the Trinity United Church of Christ embody “the black community in its entirety.” If he is right, then there is a central flaw in the declared premise underlying his campaign for President—the premise that his election offers a way out of America’s disunity, including in matters racial. Judging from Obama’s astonishing electoral success, whites have already bridged this putative racial divide, which means that the primary obstacle to achieving a new American unity comes not from whites, but from blacks. [snip]

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: election; elections; lindachavez; obama; wright
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1 posted on 05/28/2008 8:09:31 AM PDT by dmh191
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Let Us by All Means Have an Honest Conversation About Race

That can never happen any more. The left has so overused calls of racism that we have become a nation beaten into silence for fear of being called racists.

2 posted on 05/28/2008 8:13:10 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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Yeah, let’s be honest, Obama is only 6.25% black.


3 posted on 05/28/2008 8:13:42 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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Yeah, let’s be honest, Obama is only 6.25% black.

You using a slide ruler? I dont get your math

4 posted on 05/28/2008 8:20:45 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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He’s supposedly more Arab than anything else.


5 posted on 05/28/2008 8:22:03 AM PDT by Eurale
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To: Puppage

When your ideology is logically indefensible, you have to have a club of some sort to beat your enemies into silence.


6 posted on 05/28/2008 8:23:20 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Nonstatist
You using a slide ruler? I dont get your math

Because Obama's father was more Arabic than black. Obama's father was only 1/8 black.

7 posted on 05/28/2008 8:25:29 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: MrB
When your ideology is logically indefensible, you have to have a club of some sort to beat your enemies into silence.

True enough.

Now, we're not even supposed to admit that there are differences bewtween races. In our hast to come together, we're now further apart then ever before, IMHO.

8 posted on 05/28/2008 8:26:28 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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the only conversations about race that are permitted are politically correct conversations. Such as, minorities have been oppressed, there are vestiges of discrimination out there, should we have reparations for slavery, 50+ years after the Brown decision, too many minorities get inferior educations, in spite of the War of Poverty of the ‘60s, minorities are still dis-proportionately grappling with poverty. We all know what political correctness allows in terms of talking about race, and what types of discussions aren’t allowed. Since we all know those ground rules, why even talk about it anymore?


9 posted on 05/28/2008 8:29:42 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Since we all know those ground rules, why even talk about it anymore?

We can't. Period.

10 posted on 05/28/2008 8:30:40 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: dmh191

This writer needs to go live in our big cities and really see what’s going on. Try South East Los Angeles, or Detroit. Then re-write the article. Ask Jackson or Sharpton.


11 posted on 05/28/2008 8:31:41 AM PDT by RC2
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To: dmh191
Why does Obama hate me?

Don't Hate me Bro!!

12 posted on 05/28/2008 8:36:33 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: dmh191

I loathe my whiteness. There conversation over, can I now have my Political Correctness doggy treat now?


13 posted on 05/28/2008 8:41:56 AM PDT by junta (It's Poltical Correctness stupid! Hold liberals accountable for their actions, a new idea.)
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This nation can never have an honest conversation about race until:

1) The Democrat Party steps up to the plate and makes a sincere apology, as well as paying reparations from its own party coffers, for its leading role in perpetuating slavery, implementing Jim Crow, Enforcing segregation consistently opposing remedies for same.

2) The Democrat Party explains its disgusting lack of outrage when its senior US senator, who not only led a 17-hour filibuster against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, showed his more enlightened understanding of "equality" on March 4, 2001 by going on national television and magnanimously announcing that there are "white niggers" too.

14 posted on 05/28/2008 9:01:27 AM PDT by Maceman (If you're not getting a tax cut, you're getting a pay cut.)
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To: dmh191

Sadly the mistaken doctrine comes from the US history.

Multiculturalists would have you believe that all men are equal (extended to a be all men and women are equal). This is clearly and demonstrably wrong, and is a faulty derivation from the religeous belief that all men are equal in the eyes of God.

That faulty reasoning was applied to the situation of the Black slaves in the US, resulting in their freedom, and their eventual status as equal citizens to the white racial group.

It is possible that it would have been better for all if the Blacks of African descent had been enabled to return to their homelands, an idea partially realised in the State of Liberia.

“The American Colonization Society was established in 1816 by Robert Finley as an attempt to satisfy two groups in America. Ironically, these groups were on opposite ends of the spectrum involving slavery in the early 1800’s. One group consisted of philanthropists, clergy and abolitionist who wanted to free African slaves and their descendants and provide them with the opportunity to return to Africa. The other group was the slave owners who feared free people of color and wanted to expel them from America.
Both the these groups felt that free blacks would be unable to assimilate into the white society of this country..... Henry Clay, a southern congressman and sympathizer of the plight of free blacks, believed that because of “unconquerable prejudice resulting from their color, they never could amalgamate with the free whites of this country.””

As it now stands, there are racial groups in the US who openly, or covertly dislike each other, and don’t regard each other as “equals”.

Worse, the US left has influenced the rest of the Western World to accept the faulty model of MultiCultural MultiRacialism, leading to the eventual genetic destruction of the north western European Racial Groups, prcisely the Groups respnsible for Cultural and Scientific advance over the last 2000 years.

Lasly, I would point out that there is no State with a black African majority and Government which has demonstrated good governance for any extended period of time. That mis governance can be observed in Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans, Washington DC, Baltimore, all US cities with majority Black electorate.

I imagine a lot of people won’t like this, but I’d like to know if any of the above is factually incorrect.


16 posted on 05/28/2008 9:13:00 AM PDT by plenipotentiary
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While I don’t necessarily disagree with her statement. It is hypocrisy coming straight out of her ardent supporting Hispanic mouth.


17 posted on 05/28/2008 9:21:14 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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She sort of touches on inercity-ness but the article lost a whole lot of punch about 3/4 of the way through.
18 posted on 05/28/2008 9:31:09 AM PDT by norton
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To: dmh191

We’ve been beaten over the head with racial discussions for decades.

Anyone remember Clinton’s National Discussion on Race?


19 posted on 05/28/2008 10:24:13 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Will hijack threads for cheese.)
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We’ve been beaten over the head with racial discussions for decades.

Anyone remember Clinton’s National Discussion on Race?


20 posted on 05/28/2008 10:24:17 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Will hijack threads for cheese.)
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