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Physicist Claims First Real Demonstration of Cold Fusion
www.physorg.com ^ | 05/27/2008 | Staff

Posted on 05/27/2008 1:35:26 PM PDT by Red Badger

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To: Red Badger
"Arata and Zhang demonstrated very successfully the generation of continuous excess energy [heat] from ZrO2-nano-Pd sample powders under D2 gas charging and generation of helium-4," Takahashi told New Energy Times. "The demonstrated live data looked just like data they reported in their published papers [J. High Temp. Soc. Jpn, Feb. and March issues, 2008]. This demonstration showed that the method is highly reproducible."

This looks good. Really good. I would bet the oil companies will do everything in their power to stop this if it is true. They are making a killing now and don't want to stop any time soon.

21 posted on 05/27/2008 1:49:08 PM PDT by apt4truth
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To: Red Badger
Hummmm, ...... what's a pound of deuterium go for these days? 158 degrees is restaurant grade hot water, and the management could use the helium for the decorative balloons.
22 posted on 05/27/2008 1:49:16 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate.)
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To: RightWhale

Suppose this was not, in fact, cold fusion, but a different, heretofore unknown, process that achieved the same goal. It is still worthy of study and research.................


23 posted on 05/27/2008 1:49:16 PM PDT by Red Badger (NOBODY MOVE!!!!.......I dropped me brain............................)
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To: RightWhale

Do you think the first experiment back in ‘89 was a hoax?


24 posted on 05/27/2008 1:50:45 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

GOOD ONE!!..............


25 posted on 05/27/2008 1:51:04 PM PDT by Red Badger (NOBODY MOVE!!!!.......I dropped me brain............................)
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To: Red Badger; Physicist

Ping


26 posted on 05/27/2008 1:51:21 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Netheron

They may have discovered something akin to cold fusion, but of a different nature. That is worthy of research and further investigations............


27 posted on 05/27/2008 1:53:10 PM PDT by Red Badger (NOBODY MOVE!!!!.......I dropped me brain............................)
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To: thackney
What benefit would cold fusion bring to the world if it did exist?

The "cold" in cold fusion does not mean cold relative to room temperature. It means cold relative to stellar core temperatures. That can still be quite warm enough for our purposes.

It's hard to believe that a catalyst can both hold the deuterium tightly enough to force fusion, yet let it go at just the right point to allow it to fuse. I'll wait to see what other scientists come up with. On the surface, it sounds to me that they're getting a chemical reaction that's generating heat, not a nuclear reaction. The proof of true nuclear fusion will be when different elements (i.e. helium) and other reaction byproducts (e.g. neutrinos) are detected. The article said that they're producing helium, and if that holds true, then they have a good claim.
28 posted on 05/27/2008 1:53:10 PM PDT by Phlyer
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To: Red Badger

No matter what they say about the original, from what I hear, Pons and Fleischmann are about as close to perfect you can get when it comes to measuring the thermodynamic ins and outs.

If they say more energy came out than what went in, you can pretty much bank on it.


29 posted on 05/27/2008 1:54:15 PM PDT by djf
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To: Red Badger

bump for later read


30 posted on 05/27/2008 1:55:14 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Red Badger
heretofore unknown, process

We don't need to reach that far when there are several well-known catalytic reactions unaccounted for.

31 posted on 05/27/2008 1:55:22 PM PDT by RightWhale (You are reading this now)
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To: Red Badger

Drop some lye, a beer can and about one quart of water in an ice bucket and see what happens in the next two days.


32 posted on 05/27/2008 1:55:28 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Netheron

If this were in fact fusion we would have to keep fission reactors going just to produce heavy water.


33 posted on 05/27/2008 1:55:29 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Phlyer

Thanks


34 posted on 05/27/2008 1:55:59 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: gracesdad

“Bridge for Sale!! Bridge for Sale!!”

I’m not a physicist, but I seem to recall that many seemingly “impossible” phenomena occur by quantum tunneling. I wonder if that could also be a theoretical mechanism for cold fusion to occur. Any physicists on FR to comment?

In any event, if it is confirmed that Helium is being produced from Deuterium, then fusion is really going on.

I am also reminded of Rupert Sheldrake’s seemingly outlandish theory that nature has habits rather than laws. The strongest habits of nature just appear to us to be laws.
Is it possible that nature is in the process of acquiring the new habit of cold fusion?


35 posted on 05/27/2008 1:57:28 PM PDT by devere
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To: jbwbubba
I have a government client who supports research on electronics and electric motors. One of the unsolicited proposals they received stated clearly that this new motor was a perpetual motion machine. Of course the government is in cahoots with the oil companies....Bush being an oil man and all...so this proposal was never funded...../sarcasm
36 posted on 05/27/2008 1:58:12 PM PDT by CollegeRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
‘89 was a hoax

Not deliberate, to give the benefit of being mistaken rather than being outright charlatans. They were mistaken and wanted to see that result, so they saw it. It's not the first time somebody saw what they wanted to see even though something else is what happened.

37 posted on 05/27/2008 1:58:39 PM PDT by RightWhale (You are reading this now)
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To: Red Badger

Absolutely correct. I wonder what the general reaction would have been in 1908 if someone made the claim that a small bomb could not only destroy an entire city, but also leave it uninhabitable for decades or centuries? Those who sneer and jeer at every difficult concept today are the ones who wind up as the boobs on tomorrow’s documentaries. Not every concept works out but somehow our science does keep marching forward.

MM


38 posted on 05/27/2008 1:59:52 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: thackney
What benefit would cold fusion bring to the world if it did exist?

The fuel is cheap as hell by comparison to oil or even plutonium. Fusion byproducts are usually a lot less radioactive as well.

I wonder if they got any radioactive byproducts?

39 posted on 05/27/2008 2:01:56 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Party ahead of principles; eventually you'll be selling out anything to anyone for the right price.)
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