[Texas]Still No. 1; But that's not a good thing - it's in gunrunning

LAREDO MORNING TIMES ^ | 05/25/2008 | JULIAN AGUILAR

[txdoda]

Bazan confirmed the ATF had evidence that several gun buyers and runners were U.S. citizens.

"Most definitely," he said. "There are some very close ties (with the cartels), sometimes even relatives."

U.S. citizens *related* to the cartels ???.....

so are these 'anchor baby' gun runners...... or gun runners we've rewarded with *scamnasty* ???

[Eaker]

With continued training, if one thinks that the goblin has armor has learned to direct fire to another strike point.

[Travis McGee]

Sometimes those goblins are all covered up, head to toe practically. Or they might be on the other side of a car.

The other nice thing about a CZ-52 is that it is FLAT shooting and accurate, and you can make torso hits at 100+ yards easy with practice.

All of that out of a gun that costs about 200 bucks, and ammo that costs as low as 12 cents a round. In the era of $$$$ ammo, that is a bargain on many levels.

[Travis McGee]

Interesting thread ping.

[pallis]

Sounds like they need to smuggle enough guns into Mexico to provide every citizen with one.

[Turbopilot]

Thanks for posting about this...I’d never heard of the 7.62x25 cartridge before, although I’d always thought the FiveseveN was pretty cool (if expensive). $200 for a pistol and $0.12/round is incredibly cheap these days.

I don’t know if I can get away from a high-capacity .45ACP as my daily carry weapon but I’m gonna have to look into this CZ as another option. You can learn anything if you read FR long enough :-p

[ReignOfError]

the equivalent of an anemic .22 Hornet

Not hardly. It's a small slug, but a big powder load.

[ReignOfError]

unless the Mexican drug cartels have a source for the original military rounds

Have you ever known a drug cartel that couldn't buy just about anything? It's a big world and they have a lot of money.

[Eaker]

Sounds good, but according to much of what I have read here on FR a properly dropped or unattended Glock can make kill shots up to and including a mile!

;<)

[Gaffer]

It’s C&R too....a good little pistol...

[Gaffer]

I have four Glocks....nice guns, but I feel they are dangerous, especially in inexperienced hands. Not something
I’d recommend for the average homeowner. Prefer something with a real safety and that is easy to break down and clean. For a Glock, everything on it is designed to be unobstructive to holstering and you have to buy all the ‘extended’ parts to make it usable, defeating the sleekness....

[Eaker]

I have been carrying a Glock for more than ten years and disagree with your entire post except for the sleekness.

[rellimpank]

—take a look at the relative ballistics—

[hiredhand]

Not this shit again... "Cop Killer" is a complete misnomer...as if cops are any easier or harder to kill than the rest of us. The 5.7 is a indeed a lot of horsepower in a small package. But it's "not" a stellar performer. Out of a 4.75" bbl, it will propel a 31gr projectile at 2150 fps (approx). The fact that it pops holes in kevlar is no biggie. There are LOTS of rounds that will do that including the Russian 7.62x25mm which is still cheap, as well as the weapons that fire it!

If I were going to buy a "high powered - hi cap" handgun, I think I'd go for this one -





It's not "quite" as concealable, but I like the notion of 30 rds of .223 ammo, and since it takes standard AR magazines, drum mags will work as well. :-) Plus, it's got a Weaver rail on top for a scope. Also, the front grip is held on by a threaded collar which could probably be used to secure a....uh...well...you "know". :-) "*KER-CHUNK*"!

[Gaffer]

I’ve had mine longer, but that’s neither here nor there. We disagree. That’s why there are different manufacturers I guess.

[Eaker]

I checked the receipt and have had it for thirteen years, but that is neither here nor there either.

As to cleaning there is no other semi-auto handgun easier to clean. It is also no more dangerous than a revolver as they really don’t have a safety.

You say that you have four.

Why?

[Travis McGee]

The really cheap ammo in this caliber is corrosive milsurp stuff, so careful cleaning is a must.

But at those prices, it’s worth putting one or two away for a SHTF pistol.

[Travis McGee]

A mile easy.

[Travis McGee]

Stick a 20 round mag in the PLR and it very “coat concealable.” Keep the 30 round mags for reloads or expected trouble situations.

[Travis McGee]

You know, Glocks expire after 12 years. That plastic is biodegradeable.