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[Texas]Still No. 1; But that's not a good thing - it's in gunrunning
LAREDO MORNING TIMES ^ | 05/25/2008 | JULIAN AGUILAR

Posted on 05/25/2008 6:26:42 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch

(Editor's note: This is Part I of a two-part series on Project Gunrunner, an operation by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives designed to reduce international gunrunning. This part of the series details the extent of the problem.)

Federal agents working along the Texas-Mexico border have noticed drug cartels have a new affinity for a particular type of firearm.

"It's a 5.7 (mm)," said Elias Bazan, the resident agent in charge of the Laredo field office of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. "In Mexico, they already call it the ‘cop killer.' It's a very powerful little handgun. Here recently, that has been more a weapon of choice."

Chances the "mata policias" or "cop killer," found its way into Mexico through the Southwest border are likely, according to figures the ATF released to Laredo Morning Times.

Texas has been the No. 1 source of firearms recovered in Mexico and submitted to U.S. authorities for tracing the past three fiscal years.

In 2005, 1,014 firearms recovered by Mexican officials came from Texas. In 2006 that number fell to 342, but then skyrocketed to 729 in 2007. California ranked second, with 569, 220 and 217 in 2005, 2006 and 2007, respectively.

The data was compiled as part of the ATF's Project Gunrunner, initiated to help stop the arsenals used by Mexican cartels from heading south.

Though the ATF has investigated arms smuggling since its inception, Bazan said Project Gunrunner began as a national campaign in 2007 with two goals in mind: to create a national depository for all intelligence related to arms trafficking; and to help stop the flow of arms used by Mexican drug cartels in their day-to-day operations. This year alone, authorities believe warring cartels are responsible for more than 300 killings in Mexico, mostly along the Texas-Mexico border.

Unlike drug purchases, which can involve clandestine maneuvering to conceal the merchandise, many of the guns used in Mexico are bought in the open market at gun shows in the United States.

That, Bazan said, is one of the ATF's biggest challenges.

"Unfortunately, when you go to a gun show, there are really not a whole lot of restrictions," he said. "If you're a licensed dealer trying to sell guns at a gun show, you are obligated by law to run criminal history checks on people.

"However … any person who labels his collection of guns as a ‘personal collection' is allowed to sell those guns as a personal collection and, therefore, not obligated to run a personal history check."

Even with background checks, straw buyers ensure gunrunners are able to take their loads south.

"The ATF calls it ‘lying and buying,' " Bazan said. "You could take an illegal alien, a convicted felon, anybody that's prohibited by law to purchase weapons, and all you have to do is pay someone else to basically sign the form and purchase as many weapons as he wants to. That's a big problem for us."

So much, in fact, the ATF has recently launched a campaign, dubbed "Don't Lie for the Other Guy," to educate potential straw buyers about repercussions.

Bazan said the guns purchased in the U.S. have an obvious destination.

"Based on our investigations here in Laredo … we are pretty certain that the firearms are destined to drug-trafficking organizations."

And gun shows aren't hard to find, adding to the formidable task of stopping the weapons flow.

"I think they are year-round," Bazan said. "I think that any given weekend, a person, a gun enthusiast, can probably find a gun show somewhere between Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Corpus Christi or McAllen. There has got to be a gun show just about every weekend."

The weapons bought and sold range from the "cop killer" and other small-caliber weapons, to machine guns, tear-gas launchers and even a few the ATF simply labels as "destructive devices."

Restrictions in Mexico on gun purchases lead many people to travel north to stock their respective arsenals, using the resources supplied by drug deals on the same trip to purchase their weapons.

"You bring the drugs north, you sell them, you use some of the money to buy guns," said ATF spokeswoman Franceska Perot. "It's just like any commercial trucker. He doesn't want to make any trip without a load."

Bazan said a department within a cartel is assigned the task of accomplishing each mission, be it selling drugs or buying guns.

"It is the same organization, but I think that it's more specialized," he said. "One group will hire another to go make some buys and even make it down to another group to transfer them down south, but it's broken down into specialty."

Acknowledging that the drug-trade relationship between Mexico and the United States is indeed symbiotic and that the cartels would not flourish without a demand for drugs in the United States, federal officials also concede that it isn't just Mexican nationals who buy guns to use in Mexico.

Bazan confirmed the ATF had evidence that several gun buyers and runners were U.S. citizens.

"Most definitely," he said. "There are some very close ties (with the cartels), sometimes even relatives."

MONDAY:

Laredo connections and the ATF's battle against international gunrunning.

(Julian Aguilar may be reached at 728-2557 or by e-mail at jaguilar@lmtonline.com)


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: armstrade; banglist; mexico; projectgunrunner; wod; zetas
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Build the fence!
1 posted on 05/25/2008 6:26:42 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch
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To: DeLaVerdad; YourAdHere; Be_Politically_Erect; Ultimatum; Sterco; Paige; Tennessee_Bob; cspackler; ..

Gunrunner ping!

If you want on, or off this S. Texas/Mexico ping list, please FReepMail me.


2 posted on 05/25/2008 6:30:15 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (US Constitution Article 4 Section 4..shall protect each of them against Invasion...domestic Violence)
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To: SwinneySwitch
alcohol, tobacco and firearms should be a convince store.
3 posted on 05/25/2008 6:31:46 PM PDT by M1D
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To: SwinneySwitch

“Unfortunately, when you go to a gun show, there are really not a whole lot of restrictions” That statement is demonstrably FALSE. Selling one or two guns person to person will never equip the Mexican gangsters. That is ALL you are allowed to do at gun shows. If you are in the trade of selling guns, you still must comply with numerous state and federal regulations (like background checks) when you sell a gun. This is just another in a long series of attempts to outlaw private person to person sales of firearms. And SCREW MEXICO. Maybe they NEED a revolution. In all, we still need to build and man the fence. Maybe they can actually control their side of the border. Would ya think? (which is what they do with Mexican military on their own southern border btw)


4 posted on 05/25/2008 6:31:58 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: SwinneySwitch
---"In Mexico, they already call it the ‘cop killer.' It's a very powerful little handgun--

--the equivalent of an anemic .22 Hornet--wonder if they hold them sideways to shoot or has that gone out of style?

5 posted on 05/25/2008 6:32:16 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: SwinneySwitch
Chances the "mata policias" or "cop killer," found its way into Mexico through the Southwest border are likely

LOL, as if that puny .22 handgun was some kind of miraculous cop killer. Hey narcotraficantes, I have one for you. It's called the "chupame pendejos" in .45 ACP.

6 posted on 05/25/2008 6:32:19 PM PDT by Sender (Never lose your ignorance; you can never regain it!)
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To: M1D

Disband the BATFE. Top to bottom. We don’t need no revenuers here. The feds had a bunch of left over agents when prohibition ended and decided to keep them occupied destroying our 2nd Amendment rights. Get rid of them. Border Patrol is hiring, or should be.


7 posted on 05/25/2008 6:34:11 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: rellimpank; Sender

My understanding is the projectile from this round will pierce bullet resistant vests.


8 posted on 05/25/2008 7:03:18 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: SwinneySwitch

At least NAFTA is working to our advantage in one area!


9 posted on 05/25/2008 7:12:55 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: SwinneySwitch

“It’s a 5.7 (mm),” said Elias Bazan, the resident agent in charge of the Laredo field office of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. “In Mexico, they already call it the ‘cop killer.’ It’s a very powerful little handgun. Here recently, that has been more a weapon of choice.”

I’m guessing he’s talking about the FN Five-Seven? I’m not an expert on firearms, but to my knowledge that’s the only pistol that uses that caliber.


10 posted on 05/25/2008 7:18:12 PM PDT by DemforBush
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To: Cold Heart
My understanding is the projectile from this round will pierce bullet resistant vests.

As will almost any rifle bullet.

11 posted on 05/25/2008 7:26:03 PM PDT by cryptical ("The future is already here; it's just not evenly distributed." - William Gibson)
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To: rellimpank

Ihe 5.7 is a joke.Give me my .357 Mag.loaded with 146 gr.HP’s.That’s a dangerous weapon in close.


12 posted on 05/25/2008 7:34:52 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: SwinneySwitch

13 posted on 05/25/2008 7:41:03 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: Cold Heart
Only one of the projectiles that can be fired from the FN five-seven can penetrate body armor and that one is restricted for sale only to military and police.

None of the commercially available projectiles can perform this feat...a feat which any high velocity handgun round can perform.

You don't hear all of this hullabaloo about the SIG .357, yet is too can perform this feat. So can the standard Smith & Wesson .357, as can any rifle bullet currently available on the market.

This is another gun grabber straw man intended to scare the American people into buying the drek they are selling.

It is time to shutdown the BATFE. Gordon Liddy was right, they are a bunch of "jack-booted thugs." They have to create a crime just to justify their existence.
14 posted on 05/25/2008 7:47:37 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Those diplomats serve best, who serve as cannon fodder to protect our troops!)
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To: DemforBush
There is an H&K pistol that fires a very similar round. It has not gotten the press that the FN has.

Ever since the Brady Campaign came out against the FN Five-seven, I have had an insatiable desire to own one...something about those lilly livered liars just brings out the best in me:)...20 round magazine, 2000fps, >20oz., 100 yard effective range...a very nice little toy. Not a SIG .357 or a .45 ACP, but a nice toy gun...just for fun...and the annoyance of the gun grabbers.
15 posted on 05/25/2008 7:54:12 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Those diplomats serve best, who serve as cannon fodder to protect our troops!)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Hey stop complaining, at least we’re number 1 in something. Maybe if the police would put those Five-sevens to some good use at the border, we wouldn’t need a fence...a dead illegal alien wannabe will never be an illegal alien.


16 posted on 05/25/2008 7:56:49 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Those diplomats serve best, who serve as cannon fodder to protect our troops!)
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To: Sudetenland
Ever since the Brady Campaign came out against the FN Five-seven, I have had an insatiable desire to own one...something about those lilly livered liars just brings out the best in me:)...20 round magazine, 2000fps, >20oz., 100 yard effective range...a very nice little toy. Not a SIG .357 or a .45 ACP, but a nice toy gun...just for fun...and the annoyance of the gun grabbers.

When they were hot to trot about the S&W 500 it forced me to go out and buy several in a variety of barrel sizes. I'm happier for it :)

Went to a gun show last weekend in Orlando. First time I saw the ATF there with a table. No, there was nobody there talking to them.

17 posted on 05/25/2008 8:02:18 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Ted Kennedy is the finest collection of hops and barley money can buy)
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To: Cold Heart
The original, military-only, full metal jacketed round was a good penetrator, like the .22 magnum. The antigunners jumped on it and forced it into oblivion. None of the original military rounds are on the market today. Instead, there are soft deforming rounds that won't penetrate a vest. So unless the Mexican drug cartels have a source for the original military rounds, this little .22 is not that dangerous.

The whole 5.7 pistol idea has been blown way out of perspective. It's a little bullet at high speed, with little recoil, and the pistol can hold 20 of them. As far as the "cop killer" legend goes, that was defeated early on in the pistol's history, so it is little more than a trendy plastic pistol with an anemic .22 round today.

18 posted on 05/25/2008 8:05:26 PM PDT by Sender (Never lose your ignorance; you can never regain it!)
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To: Sudetenland; Sender

Thanks for the info.


19 posted on 05/25/2008 8:10:16 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Sender

No need to get exotic. A plain old inexpensive surplus Tokarev or CZ52 in 7.62X25 will go through kevlar like it's not there.

20 posted on 05/25/2008 8:16:43 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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