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Ron Paul Hopes to Crash McCain's Party
ABC News ^ | 5/13/08 | Marcus Barum

Posted on 05/14/2008 8:51:18 PM PDT by advance_copy

Sen. John McCain, taking a victory lap as the presumptive Republican nominee, happily poked fun at his only remaining opponent.

Asked during an appearance on "The Daily Show" last week which of the two Democratic nominees he preferred to run against in the general election, McCain quipped, "Ron Paul."

But Paul might get the last laugh during McCain's coronation at the party's convention in early September.

McCain's nomination may be certain, but he finds himself pressured by different wings of the conservative movement -- from the libertarians and the anti-war activists, to social conservatives and evangelical voters.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008rncconvention; mccain; mnehrlinghateronpaul; mnehrlinghatespaul; paulestinians; ronpaul; rontards; scampi; truthers
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To: advance_copy
Team Juan continually insists that their boy "doesn't need conservatives to win" in 2008. I'm taking them at their word.

This site's owner and founder says the following, re: Juan McCain:

"You kicked the conservatives to the curb and nominated your RINO, now all you gotta do is get him elected."

I'm standing with JimRob, on this one.

221 posted on 05/14/2008 11:41:49 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

“The requested document does not exist on this server.” Okay


222 posted on 05/14/2008 11:43:09 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: roamer_1
,McCain's health care tax credit scheme is socialist redistribution.

I see, a tax credit is a socialist redistribution. Tax credits - the government collecting LESS from you - is redistribution. Interesting definition!

So then, any deductions you take on your personal taxes are socialist redistributions! And as a Principled Conservative then you must not take any deductions, right? Unless you're a Socialist?

Mere lip service. See health tax credit above.

So voting for a Balanced Budget Amendment is just lip service. I see. Actual ACTIONS aren't anything more than lip service. Wow, what a position to take!

Globalism is Socialism in a business suit.

Free markets are socialism? Then the opposite of free markets - communism - must be what you want to see!

Gorebull Warming, cap and trade, health care tax credits... You're joking, right?

No, I'm not. Reduced taxation. Tax credits mean LESS TAXES. What part do you not understand? McCain may support some ideas you don't support, but he's not going to make you pay for them, or pay people to take those positions. He'll reduce taxes for positions, but that still requires you to have to pay taxes, just less of them. You don't get direct payments to take those positions.

I assume you consider the Bush tax cuts to actually be socialist wealth redistribution, and effectively increased taxation?

ROTFLMAO!

Chuck Baldwin is a Kool-aid drinking Paulian who lies about anyone and anything if it advances his extremist views.

You want a REAL gun-ownership group that is more than a few dozen Paulians polishing their pistol? How about the NRA supporting McCain. I'll take the endorsement and support of a few MILLION gun owners from all walks of life over the few dozen Paulians at Baldwin's site...

Many socialists are for strong nat'l defense... Lenin, Mao, Marx, etc...

Except those named Obama and Hillary...

Nothing trumps sovereignty... Nothing. Without sovereignty, we are simply... not. McCain would give up our sovereignty on the seven seas to the United Nations. He would dissolve our borders by way of the NAU. He would dilute our sacred vote, and thereby our sovereignty with an influx of a socialist horde, which would all but guarantee all further elections would be useless displays.

Proof, please? You're making the claims, you back it up.

223 posted on 05/14/2008 11:48:39 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: 1035rep
*Sigh*. Simple error in pasting. Here's the correct URL.

"You kicked the conservatives to the curb and nominated your RINO, now all you gotta do is get him elected.

"Okay"...?

224 posted on 05/14/2008 11:49:07 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: Stevieboy

Apparently yes. All opinions are not valid. The Constitution does not call for a free, unfettered-by-government economy. And Ron Paul is NOT a Presidential Candidate (he’s dropped out).


225 posted on 05/14/2008 11:50:23 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

The Okay was part of the reply when I clicked on the link. No insult was intended. It was strictly a cut and paste job.


226 posted on 05/14/2008 11:51:04 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: 1035rep

Okay. My apologies for snapping, then; My Bad. ;)


227 posted on 05/14/2008 11:52:22 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: allmost
I have no idea what...side ur on...

Good. That is the perfect start.

228 posted on 05/14/2008 11:53:36 PM PDT by pupdog
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Have a good night, Kent. I’m out of here.


229 posted on 05/14/2008 11:55:05 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Jack Black
McCain will grant amnesty. With him leading the charge the Reps, in the minority, will have little stomach for fighting it. With Obama proposing the identical bill it is much more likely the R's in the House and Senate will mobilize to stop it.

BUMPed for The Truth!!!

230 posted on 05/14/2008 11:56:26 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: 1035rep

‘Night! ;)


231 posted on 05/14/2008 11:56:59 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: Jack Black

I thought you were one of McCain’s biggest supporters here. Don’t tell me you have going over to the bitcon side.


232 posted on 05/15/2008 12:03:14 AM PDT by Antonio C (God bless John McCain, George W. Bush, and our troops)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
McCain’s opposition to universal health care, support for a balanced budget, support for free market solutions, support for reduced taxation

Whom do you suppose will be paying for the health care Juan's beloved additional 30-to-40 million additional illegals are (inevitably) going to need?

From where do you suppose that money will, logically, be coming?

Will the marvelous magical Money Fairy be providing, in this instance... or: will Juan ultimately need to tap some other source, instead?

"Reduced taxation." Pfft.

233 posted on 05/15/2008 12:14:03 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I choose to judge a man by his actions in the past; apparently you want to judge a man by what he may do in the future based upon your own beliefs.

McCain - like him or not - has proven to be a fiscal hawk, and does not raise taxes. He voted for the balanced budget amendment. He’s consistently opposed earmarks, and has identified programs he’d specifically cut.

Rag on him for other issues, but to call him on the carpet for financial issues is absurd. Might as well haul Reagan forward for capitulating to the Soviets (he talked with them, must have made them feel OK to break apart so they could then take an even harder-tack against the West!), Gingrich for brazenly supporting the full Democrat agenda (after all, the Contract with America got a few Democrat supporters), or Delay for murder (well, he was indicted for campaign financing issues, and we know the Clintons took out some people for some campaign issues so Delay might, too).


234 posted on 05/15/2008 12:20:49 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: advance_copy
We have heard "the only candidate who can beat (Hillary/Obama)... for some time now. Heck, I recall when that candidate was Rudy.

As I said then, and still maintain, the only candidate who can beat Hillary or Obama is whomever the Republicans nominate. Duh!

No one else will get the votes they need.

As I said then, the Republicans might as well nominate a Conservative, because the rest of the party will vote for them rather than letHillary (or Obama) win.

McCain? Came in sixth on my list early on. Rudy was last.

235 posted on 05/15/2008 12:23:23 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
I choose to judge a man by spin dodge spin *SNIP*.

Sometimes, the steadfast refusal to forthrightly answer a simple, straightforward question is, in and of itself, an answer.

236 posted on 05/15/2008 12:25:55 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
There was another bill that McCain co-sponsored with Dan Coats. It was the Holy Grail of conservatives that had eluded even Ronald Reagan, the Line Item Veto. I think that it was the McCain's first major bipartisan success.

It was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court and died in it's reformulation by lack of support from conservatives.

For an interesting perspective, look at the Justices that held it to be unconstitutional, among them Rhenquist and Thomas. What does that do to the notion that McCain would not appoint Justices that rule against his initiatives.

237 posted on 05/15/2008 12:47:14 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: Antonio C
La Raza (The People) is a political organization attempting to better the lives of Hispanic Americans.

Helpful hint:

If you are going to infiltrate, it's probably a good idea to not cheerlead for Mexican Nazis while you're doing it.

Just stick with the "bitcon" routine. It's sort of catchy, in a sad way.
238 posted on 05/15/2008 1:13:07 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (QMC(SW) USN........ CG21 DD988 FFG34 PC6 ARS53)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
I see, a tax credit is a socialist redistribution. Tax credits - the government collecting LESS from you - is redistribution. Interesting definition!

The problem inherent with your vision of what McCain offers is that it does nothing to fix the health care crisis. Those deducting health insurance in this future tax credit are those who already have health insurance, and only covers the things that the insurance already covers.

The truth of the matter is that, in order to lay claim to it's advertised effect, it must take the form of a 'tax credit' similar to the earned income tax credit, where a government 'kickback' check would pay for, or reimburse, insurance costs, paying for, or paid by, those who cannot afford it.

I would reinforce my position with this:

Health care in America "should be available to all, and not limited by where you work or how much you make," McCain said in a speech delivered in Tampa at the University of South Florida's H. Lee Moffitt Cancer Center & Research Institute.

For the sickest Americans who would find it hard to buy affordable coverage in an open market, McCain wants the states to form risk pools, or what he calls Guaranteed Access Plans. He also said there would be "reasonable limits" on premiums, and federal assistance for those below a certain income level.

Business Week: "McCain's Health-Care Proposal" by Catherine Arnst

So McCain will cap premiums with a heretofore undefined reasonable' limit, and will provide federal assistance at some certain, but undefined level. Hmmm. Looks like governmental intervention, regulation, and redistribution to me, pal.

Free markets are socialism? Then the opposite of free markets - communism - must be what you want to see!

Global business being able to ascend beyond even the most reasonable of regulations, exploiting poor countries to subvert labor laws and health and security regulations is not what 'free trade' is for. Business without conscience, and without consequence, is not the American way.

In doing so, they participate in developing an underclass, work assignment, wealth redistribution, and elitism, all on a global scale.

No, I'm not. Reduced taxation. Tax credits mean LESS TAXES. What part do you not understand?

Earned Income Tax Credit. 'Splain that one.

McCain may support some ideas you don't support, but he's not going to make you pay for them, or pay people to take those positions.

My point is that one cannot have these expansive government programs (His 'leading to universal' insurance, Gorebull Warming / Kyoto, increasing military, and etcetera) without paying for them. The only way that happens is by raising taxes, or borrowing more money from the Chinese.

You want a REAL gun-ownership group that is more than a few dozen Paulians polishing their pistol? How about the NRA supporting McCain.

Yeah, right. Whatever. They'd endorse a ham sandwich... As it is, they are endorsing a guy they gave a "C" to. Whoopee.

Proof, please? You're making the claims, you back it up.

McCain would give up our sovereignty on the seven seas to the United Nations.

FR: "U.N. double talk from straight talker McCain" By Cliff Kincaid

He would dissolve our borders by way of the NAU.

IntelStrike.com: "McCain Supports North American Integration, League of Democracies" By: Daniel Taylor

He would dilute our sacred vote, and thereby our sovereignty with an influx of a socialist horde, which would all but guarantee all further elections would be useless displays.

I won't be linking this unless you are so out of touch that you don't get the ramifications of McCain-Kennedy. Estimates range as high as 40m new voting citizens, all happy little socialist democrats... etc... The argument is common knowledge. And yes, he is on the record saying that if McCain Kennedy crosses his presidential desk, he will sign it.

239 posted on 05/15/2008 2:27:27 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: jpf
McCain can nominate all the judges he wants, but how is he going to get them confirmed? McCain after all did run the Gang of 14.

No, we have no options this election. Don't pretend that we do. Here's how I'm going to determine to vote?

Will it be more likely to stop the socialist policies of the next President (Obama or McCain) to have McCain in office as President, thereby split the Republican Party or would it be better to have a united party to oppose Democrat socialist proposals? Bush was able to split the GOP to get his Kennedy-written education policy thru and get his stupid Prescription Drug Plan thru. McCain would split the GOP and provide cover to the Democrats to get his Amnesty bill thru and his Global Warming takeover of the US economy thru. I don't know how McCain is on the war. He gave the lefties huge cover with all their "America is a torturing nation" stuff. Bush gets away with promoting the creation of a Palestinian terrorist State without much GOP criticism. If Obama tried to do the things Bush IS doing, the GOP would be screaming to high heaven. So, McCain's iffy on the war, blowing smoke on judges, may be worse in that he could get his socialist policies enacted by splitting the GOP. For me, it's an open question, whether Obama would be worse than McCain. And just pushing the Obama socialist meme is absurd, because McCain is as big of a socialist.

240 posted on 05/15/2008 2:27:33 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (I'm just a typical bitter, white, heteronormative space worm clinging to guns and God.)
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