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To: roamer_1
,McCain's health care tax credit scheme is socialist redistribution.

I see, a tax credit is a socialist redistribution. Tax credits - the government collecting LESS from you - is redistribution. Interesting definition!

So then, any deductions you take on your personal taxes are socialist redistributions! And as a Principled Conservative then you must not take any deductions, right? Unless you're a Socialist?

Mere lip service. See health tax credit above.

So voting for a Balanced Budget Amendment is just lip service. I see. Actual ACTIONS aren't anything more than lip service. Wow, what a position to take!

Globalism is Socialism in a business suit.

Free markets are socialism? Then the opposite of free markets - communism - must be what you want to see!

Gorebull Warming, cap and trade, health care tax credits... You're joking, right?

No, I'm not. Reduced taxation. Tax credits mean LESS TAXES. What part do you not understand? McCain may support some ideas you don't support, but he's not going to make you pay for them, or pay people to take those positions. He'll reduce taxes for positions, but that still requires you to have to pay taxes, just less of them. You don't get direct payments to take those positions.

I assume you consider the Bush tax cuts to actually be socialist wealth redistribution, and effectively increased taxation?

ROTFLMAO!

Chuck Baldwin is a Kool-aid drinking Paulian who lies about anyone and anything if it advances his extremist views.

You want a REAL gun-ownership group that is more than a few dozen Paulians polishing their pistol? How about the NRA supporting McCain. I'll take the endorsement and support of a few MILLION gun owners from all walks of life over the few dozen Paulians at Baldwin's site...

Many socialists are for strong nat'l defense... Lenin, Mao, Marx, etc...

Except those named Obama and Hillary...

Nothing trumps sovereignty... Nothing. Without sovereignty, we are simply... not. McCain would give up our sovereignty on the seven seas to the United Nations. He would dissolve our borders by way of the NAU. He would dilute our sacred vote, and thereby our sovereignty with an influx of a socialist horde, which would all but guarantee all further elections would be useless displays.

Proof, please? You're making the claims, you back it up.

223 posted on 05/14/2008 11:48:39 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
I see, a tax credit is a socialist redistribution. Tax credits - the government collecting LESS from you - is redistribution. Interesting definition!

The problem inherent with your vision of what McCain offers is that it does nothing to fix the health care crisis. Those deducting health insurance in this future tax credit are those who already have health insurance, and only covers the things that the insurance already covers.

The truth of the matter is that, in order to lay claim to it's advertised effect, it must take the form of a 'tax credit' similar to the earned income tax credit, where a government 'kickback' check would pay for, or reimburse, insurance costs, paying for, or paid by, those who cannot afford it.

I would reinforce my position with this:

Health care in America "should be available to all, and not limited by where you work or how much you make," McCain said in a speech delivered in Tampa at the University of South Florida's H. Lee Moffitt Cancer Center & Research Institute.

For the sickest Americans who would find it hard to buy affordable coverage in an open market, McCain wants the states to form risk pools, or what he calls Guaranteed Access Plans. He also said there would be "reasonable limits" on premiums, and federal assistance for those below a certain income level.

Business Week: "McCain's Health-Care Proposal" by Catherine Arnst

So McCain will cap premiums with a heretofore undefined reasonable' limit, and will provide federal assistance at some certain, but undefined level. Hmmm. Looks like governmental intervention, regulation, and redistribution to me, pal.

Free markets are socialism? Then the opposite of free markets - communism - must be what you want to see!

Global business being able to ascend beyond even the most reasonable of regulations, exploiting poor countries to subvert labor laws and health and security regulations is not what 'free trade' is for. Business without conscience, and without consequence, is not the American way.

In doing so, they participate in developing an underclass, work assignment, wealth redistribution, and elitism, all on a global scale.

No, I'm not. Reduced taxation. Tax credits mean LESS TAXES. What part do you not understand?

Earned Income Tax Credit. 'Splain that one.

McCain may support some ideas you don't support, but he's not going to make you pay for them, or pay people to take those positions.

My point is that one cannot have these expansive government programs (His 'leading to universal' insurance, Gorebull Warming / Kyoto, increasing military, and etcetera) without paying for them. The only way that happens is by raising taxes, or borrowing more money from the Chinese.

You want a REAL gun-ownership group that is more than a few dozen Paulians polishing their pistol? How about the NRA supporting McCain.

Yeah, right. Whatever. They'd endorse a ham sandwich... As it is, they are endorsing a guy they gave a "C" to. Whoopee.

Proof, please? You're making the claims, you back it up.

McCain would give up our sovereignty on the seven seas to the United Nations.

FR: "U.N. double talk from straight talker McCain" By Cliff Kincaid

He would dissolve our borders by way of the NAU.

IntelStrike.com: "McCain Supports North American Integration, League of Democracies" By: Daniel Taylor

He would dilute our sacred vote, and thereby our sovereignty with an influx of a socialist horde, which would all but guarantee all further elections would be useless displays.

I won't be linking this unless you are so out of touch that you don't get the ramifications of McCain-Kennedy. Estimates range as high as 40m new voting citizens, all happy little socialist democrats... etc... The argument is common knowledge. And yes, he is on the record saying that if McCain Kennedy crosses his presidential desk, he will sign it.

239 posted on 05/15/2008 2:27:27 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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