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Civilization's last chance - The planet is nearing a tipping point on climate change........
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Posted on 05/11/2008 10:48:45 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Civilization's last chance The planet is nearing a tipping point on climate change, and it gets much worse, fast. By Bill McKibben May 11, 2008 Even for Americans -- who are constitutionally convinced that there will always be a second act, and a third, and a do-over after that, and, if necessary, a little public repentance and forgiveness and a Brand New Start -- even for us, the world looks a little terminal right now.

It's not just the economy: We've gone through swoons before. It's that gas at $4 a gallon means we're running out, at least of the cheap stuff that built our sprawling society. It's that when we try to turn corn into gas, it helps send the price of a loaf of bread shooting upward and helps ignite food riots on three continents. It's that everything is so tied together. It's that, all of a sudden, those grim Club of Rome types who, way back in the 1970s, went on and on about the "limits to growth" suddenly seem ... how best to put it, right.

All of a sudden it isn't morning in America, it's dusk on planet Earth.

There's a number -- a new number -- that makes this point most powerfully. It may now be the most important number on Earth: 350. As in parts per million of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

A few weeks ago, NASA's chief climatologist, James Hansen, submitted a paper to Science magazine with several coauthors. The abstract attached to it argued -- and I have never read stronger language in a scientific paper -- that "if humanity wishes to preserve a planet similar to that on which civilization developed and to which life on Earth is adapted....

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To: Sub-Driver
NASA's chief climatologist, James Hansen

Hasn't this guy been fired for incompetence yet?

21 posted on 05/11/2008 11:04:13 AM PDT by irv
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To: Sub-Driver
-- even for us, the world looks a little terminal right now.

What a quandary.

What is more profound, the absurdity and a$$inine conveyance that the Earth to die by our own hands or the desperation being shown to keep this dead horse of an issue alive?

22 posted on 05/11/2008 11:04:30 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: SandRat
omg
23 posted on 05/11/2008 11:05:43 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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To: Sub-Driver

That volcano in Chile just wiped out any effect we could have on C02.

If we cut down the trees and burn them, more C02.
If we let the trees live, more C02.

Cut down all the trees, and ship them to the Sun.

(ohcrap. That will just make the sun burn hotter)

OK. Ship them to...... Jupiter, or Venus. Heck, anywhere we don’t plan to move to.


24 posted on 05/11/2008 11:09:40 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all pesters)
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To: goodnesswins
How 'bout the liberal version?


25 posted on 05/11/2008 11:09:55 AM PDT by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Don your boots and start shoveling faster, boys! The bull$*** is getting deeper!

These "experts" need to realize that when you are up to your nose in ****, you need to keep your mouth shut. The more they talk, the less people are listening....

26 posted on 05/11/2008 11:10:06 AM PDT by dirtbiker (I 'm a liberal's worst nightmare:A redneck with a pickup, a library card, and a conceal carry permit)
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To: Sub-Driver

27 posted on 05/11/2008 11:14:43 AM PDT by Popman ("When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.")
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To: Waco
bull sh-t, 6 billion people and other mammals exhaling CO2 and the earth can’t handle it?? bullsh-t!!!

The entire human population can fit within the boundaries of Jacksonville, Florida.

28 posted on 05/11/2008 11:15:00 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: Sub-Driver
Bill McKibben, a scholar in residence at Middlebury College

I guess being named "a scholar" isn't what it used to be. McKibben is a fiction writer with no scientific credentials whatsoever. He wrote a sci-fi story years ago about environmental collapse, rather entertaining at that, in the "Day After Tomorrow" genre but better. But clearly, as an authority he is right up there with Cheryl Crow. He should stick to writing fiction...oops, actually he has.

29 posted on 05/11/2008 11:19:10 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Sub-Driver

WE’RE GOING TO FREEZE!

(no wait, that was the 70’s)

WE’RE GOING TO ROAST!!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!


30 posted on 05/11/2008 11:20:49 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am very mad at Disney. Give me my James Marsden song!!!!!)
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To: Sub-Driver
The abstract attached to it argued -- and I have never read stronger language in a scientific paper...

Wow! The validity of the author's argument was increased because they used strong language. Science has been advanced by the words they use!

If only Newton and Einstein and Pauling knew this, think how much better the world would be right now.

31 posted on 05/11/2008 11:20:58 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: Sub-Driver

32 posted on 05/11/2008 11:21:02 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Sub-Driver

This “tipping point” stuff is nonsense. Anyone who has taken grade school chemistry or physics (private school anyway) knows what equilibrium is. Adding CO2 to one side of the climate equation will balance the other side, not push it over the “edge”


33 posted on 05/11/2008 11:21:57 AM PDT by Species8472 (Time to drill in ANWR)
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To: Sub-Driver
It means no more new coal-fired power plants anywhere, and plans to quickly close the ones already in operation. (Coal-fired power plants operating the way they're supposed to are, in global warming terms, as dangerous as nuclear plants melting down.

OMG, this moron wrote with a straight face coal-fired power plants are as dangerous as nuclear power plant meltdown

34 posted on 05/11/2008 11:22:08 AM PDT by Popman ("When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.")
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To: netmilsmom

Exactly. And get ready for “Back to the freeze, Pt II”


35 posted on 05/11/2008 11:24:25 AM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: Sub-Driver
"The abstract attached to it argued -- and I have never read stronger language in a scientific paper...."

Gee, maybe that's because it's not a scientific but a POLITICAL document.
36 posted on 05/11/2008 11:28:00 AM PDT by Enchante (Obama: My 1930s Foreign Policy Goes Well With My 1960s Social Policy!)
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To: Sub-Driver
Positive feedback!!! The tipping point!! The system will go unstable!!! OMG!!!

The magic number is 350 ppm. Not 349 ppm. Not 351 ppm. It is 350 ppm.

Where do we find such men? Such intellects, such insights, such scientific prowess? Hansen is a prophet, nay!, Hansen is a GOD!

I propose we immediately promote him to GS 18.

37 posted on 05/11/2008 11:28:27 AM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: Sub-Driver

They shriek just like real women, don’t they?


38 posted on 05/11/2008 11:30:36 AM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: Sub-Driver

James Hansen is funded by George Soros’ Insititue for the Politicization of Science. He is a sellout with no credibility.

http://petesplace-peter.blogspot.com/2008/02/nasa-jim-hansen-and-politicization-of.html


39 posted on 05/11/2008 11:33:17 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the hippies.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
"The entire human population can fit within the boundaries of Jacksonville, Florida."

Providing the Jacksonville Jaguars with an unbeatable level of fan support!

40 posted on 05/11/2008 11:33:23 AM PDT by Jagman (Liberalism is a "progressive" disease)
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