Posted on 05/06/2008 6:36:34 PM PDT by Revelation 911
They also claim "special knowledge" on the part of "church" leaders which supercedes Bible scripture. Both are just new age gnosticism.
More like 40 minutes. Suffice to say the deletions were completely appropriate. It's only the 2nd time I've ever reported abuse since 1998. I suspect the mods would have deleted it without my report. The language didn't reflect well on the FR community.
ok, likewise I dont surf 24/7....Ive got this crazy habit called meals.....
I requested the thread locked because of it, however the mod has unlocked it without explanation
Mod, is there an explanation ?
Mod, is there an explanation ?
can I have the courtesy of a response - public or private ?
More like they choose not to participate in your creepiness.
An opt-out option is useless to those who do not know what is being done.
But you know basically no one would opt-in.
And where is your concern for those who might feel some ersatz baptism of their dead ancestors crosses the line of decency?
Oh, that’s interesting since baptism for the dead is mentioned in the Bible. What else is “creepy” to you that’s in the Bible?
Only if your translation of that verse is warped through a peepstone.
What does the one have to do with the other? I wasn't the one throwing F-bombs around.
We don't think proxy baptisms cross any line of decency. Sorry you disagree. But we do not apologize for it, nor are we likely to stop doing it anytime soon.
Decency.
We don't think proxy baptisms cross any line of decency.
Oh, I know that.
But descendants might.
Too bad. We won’t change our doctrine just because some take offense.
charming spiritual fruits.....I dont think Ive ever heard a more pompous self righteous, arrogant, insensitive response
...You know, you're right, that did come out rather insensitive, and I apologize.
The thing is, we're in kind of a difficult position. We have this doctrine of proxy ordinances, that we believe in and hold dear, and yet at the same time, we realize it offends some people. So, we're left with a choice. Do we offend God, or do we offend our fellow man? Do we abandon our practices and beliefs, because some people take offense, or do we stick to what we believe? I know what I will do. I will stick with what I believe.
I appreciate that it does offend some people, and I'm sorry about that, I wish it didn't, but that's the way it is.
fair enough
and likewise, the frustration on this side is that the belief is ferevent while the personal investigation and discernment is lacking any introspection as to validity.
Creeds are rejected as man made, yet professions of personal faith in Christ are encouraged....both are the same.....what is it about creeds that displeasure you theologically regarding the Nicene specifically ?
Then we have the issue of the Bible's position on the errancy of would be prophets, weighed against several of Smith's failed prophecy.....
We see passion and faith, but it lacks any investigation, or introspection.....instead, we (non mormons) see a position taken of victimhood, and a stubborn streak that denies ANY articles of doctrine as uncomfortable, or squeammish.....I think you'll find both Catholics (which I think Petronski is) or Evangelical Protestants (myself), admitting there are aspects of the Church doctrine which upon investigation, make us question it's validity, be it purgatory, indulgences, relics, or Calvinism, or Wesleyanism...
I don't know about displeasure per se, I'd just call it "disagreement". Specifically, the line about "being of one substance with the Father", as you know LDS disagrees with point.
we (non mormons) see a position taken of victimhood,
Yes, I've noticed it here on FR myself. But I understand it, given our history.
and a stubborn streak that denies ANY articles of doctrine as uncomfortable, or squeammish.....
Don't get me wrong, there's definitely articles of doctrine of my church that I'm not perfectly comfortable with - polygamy for instance. I admit I don't know all the answers, there's TONS I don't know. But I don't let the fact that I don't know all the answers keep me from embracing the faith that's meant so much to me in my life. So I just kind of accept those things I don't understand, and try to let my faith carry me through.
does that faith have a cultural, or social basis or is it based on the Holy Spirits work in your heart?
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