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Old cemetery poses grave dilemma for buyers of Vt. farm
Associated Press ^ | Sunday, May 4, 2008 | LISA RATHKE

Posted on 05/04/2008 10:13:39 AM PDT by rarestia

HARTLAND, Vt. (AP) -- The 130-acre property was exactly what Michel Guite and his family wanted: an old Vermont farm with mountain views, rolling hills and meadows.

There was, however, one wrinkle: The property included a small family cemetery _ with the grave of a War of 1812 veteran _ surrounded by a fence on a scenic knoll.

His proposal to move the graveyard so he can build a house and barn has set off protests. The town has passed a resolution aimed at blocking the move, a descendant of one occupant of the graveyard is trying to fight him in probate court and opponents including military veterans have asked the town to take over the cemetery and keep it where it is.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: cemetery; ggg; warof1812
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To: CindyDawg

I read in a book, not too long ago, that the average American cemetery lasts for about 200 years, and after that no one seems to care. And so it is. No one hardly cares about this land. The land was sold with the people preferring to sell the land rather than to be near a grave site. Man would like to last forever here on earth, but they do not. Get real.


41 posted on 05/04/2008 2:28:15 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: pepsionice

“....but admitted later that at least a hundred graves in the local area were like that in the 1950s, and almost all of them have had the stones removed in the past forty years.”

.....that’s what happened in our family’s farming community in the late 30s, 40s, 50s...the new owner would throw the stones down the outhouse shaft and plow straight over the graves....this was the era when everybody was switching over to tractors and bigger equipment....the small family graveyards were a nuisance....they were a throwback to the age when your people buried you right “on the place” and had to get you in the ground quick...

.....the guy in this story needs to move on....even if he bought the property and built elsewhere.....cemetaries are messy...plastic flowers blow all over the place...people leave potted plants on the grave which die; then they fling the pots into the nearest bushes....kids slip in at night to party....I know...I’ve served on a cemetery board before.


42 posted on 05/04/2008 2:35:10 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: tessalu
No need to be rude.

The land is for sale. If the town wants it ...buy it. The owner should always be able to do what they want with their land. Whether they should or not is a different story though. America needs a history.

43 posted on 05/04/2008 2:38:23 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg

I read in a book, not too long ago, that the average American cemetery lasts for about 200 years, and after that no one seems to care. And so it is. No one hardly cares about this land. The land was sold with the people preferring to sell the land rather than to be near a grave site. Man would like to last forever here on earth, but they do not. Get real.


44 posted on 05/04/2008 2:47:00 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: rarestia

62 years old with three young children. Sounds like the trophey farrowed.


45 posted on 05/04/2008 2:47:18 PM PDT by Chickensoup (If it is not permitted, it is prohibited. Only the government can permit....)
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To: CindyDawg

Exactly what right does the town have in the matter? In Illinois there is a definite distinction between town and rural property. The town has no say over country and vice versa. I don’t get where the town has a horse even on the grounds let alone in the race.


46 posted on 05/04/2008 2:57:51 PM PDT by Pure Country
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To: Pure Country

The people concerned can raise the money, pay the asking price and donate the land. I’m not talking about taxes or ED. (shrug)


47 posted on 05/04/2008 3:26:31 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: VeniVidiVici

This site is worth a peek.

http://www.bragg.army.mil/culturalresources/cemetery_&_oral_history.htm

About the graves around the Ft Bragg area.


48 posted on 05/04/2008 3:54:29 PM PDT by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: CindyDawg

Many states have laws that protect family cemeteries. They make it illegal to plow or build over graves and give the descendants a right to sue if their ancestors graves are demolished.


49 posted on 05/04/2008 3:56:11 PM PDT by californianmom
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To: Cicero

That article in First Things dealt specifically with San Francisco, which banished cemeteries about 100 years ago—i.e., last Thursday.

And look how San Francisco has held on to the The Important Values! They certainly know all about the meaning of Life and Death, don’t they?


50 posted on 05/04/2008 3:58:10 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: rarestia

There’s nothing morally wrong with disturbing a grave.

But I doubt that this guy or his kids look upon a grave as somebody awaiting the Resurrection.


51 posted on 05/04/2008 3:59:22 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: The Great RJ

The purchase is contingient on him being able to move the graves. The nearby relatives are okay with it, as are the folks that own the property now. However, a judge found a great, great, great grandaughter out in Colorado that “objects”.

She has begun to feel a connection to these people. (I wonder if she even knew who they were before?) She said she doesn’t want to stand in the way of people being able to buy and sell property, and hopes a solution can be found.

Something tells me the “solution” might be in the range of $10,000 to $100,000.

However, like an earlier poster mentioned, he probably won’t find himself very welcome in town.


52 posted on 05/04/2008 4:26:08 PM PDT by 21twelve (Don't wish for peace. Pray for Victory.)
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To: Grunthor

Body dug up from garden.

53 posted on 05/04/2008 5:20:43 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagon)
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To: Grunthor

No, I’m afraid the best headline EVER was the NY Post, describing a meeting between Arrafat and Nethanyahu:

“YASSIR, THAT’S MY BIBI!”

Regards,


54 posted on 05/04/2008 5:35:16 PM PDT by VermiciousKnid
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To: basil

I would think there would be another good spot on that land too. But you know how people can be when they see something they want.


55 posted on 05/04/2008 5:45:05 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: tet68
It's the gravesite of a veteran of the War of 1812.

I'd protect it myself ~ and the laws of Vermont probably do so.

They should send this puke back to UK or something ~

56 posted on 05/04/2008 6:10:24 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: YOUGOTIT
I'm guessing that Vermont's law regarding graves and graveyards like this one is remarkably similar to the law in Indiana (which was modeled precisely on typical New England township laws).

Basically he can't touch it. Secondly he has to provide public access.

Guy tried to encroach on the access to a pioneer cemetary in Indiana my parents had restored. A complaint to the township trustee eventually resulted in his encroachment being moved, at his expense.

Still, it's likely the locals are unaware of it since this sort of request is rather rare ~ there being only a small, finite supply of genuine pukes around and about.

57 posted on 05/04/2008 6:16:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: 21twelve

The judge found “one” relative. I’m sure we could find about 10,000 of them without a lot of work.


58 posted on 05/04/2008 6:17:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: mware

I’m glad to hear that. The people here in our small Vermont town help take care of the graveyard, and there are always flowers and small flags there.

As it happens, we have a monument for the first permanent settlement in our town on our property, back in the woods. It’s a granite stone with the story carved into a bronze plaque on its face, surrounded by granite posts and chains. When we moved in, the woods were a mess and you could hardly find it. I’ve spent considerable time cleaning up around it—as well as an expanding circle of woods near the house.

Someone had planted vinca in front of the original house that once stood there, and I’ve gradually pulled all the weeds out of it so it looks really nice. Also pruned the old apple trees and cleaned up the maples that grew by the house. You can now see where the cellar hole was.

I have also spent several years pulling up Virginia creeper that was killing the trees and flowering shrubs around it. Probably it originally grew on the sides of the house, I’m not sure. Anyway, the apple trees are starting to bear again, and the wild roses are a lot happier. It looks good, and it’s very satisfying to leave old things like that better than you found them.


59 posted on 05/04/2008 7:35:11 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: VermiciousKnid; Grunthor
Au contraire. This is the best headline ever:


60 posted on 05/04/2008 7:59:29 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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