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Posted on 04/08/2008 10:55:15 AM PDT by indcons
Tibetans have a strong case against Beijing. But mixing it in with the Olympics and Darfur is a red rag to a wounded young bull.
Nationalism is more often aroused by setbacks than success, so the Tibet problems and the possible threats to a triumphal Olympics are stirring it in China.
On the horizon is the possibility that these will combine with high inflation, stagnating exports and trade tensions with the United States to create a perfect nationalistic storm.
The Chinese leadership faces a difficult balancing act.
As its legitimacy is now based on national achievement, not communist ideology, it must appear in step with popular feeling. Yet stability at home and good relations abroad require keeping nationalist emotions in check. The paranoia about evil foreign designs that thrived under Mao and was discarded by Deng Xiaoping is still close to the surface.
Almost all of China is offended that foreigners are so keen to lecture them and to encourage the petty boycotts that could spoil the Olympic party. It genuinely infuriates the Chinese that they are blamed for Darfur while their Western critics occupy Iraq. Beijing is happy to let such nationalist resentments vent in the sometimes violent language of Internet blogs and chat rooms.
(Excerpt) Read more at iht.com ...
I wonder when this unprecedented demographic segment will march onto histoy’s stage, and where.
Candidates: Taiwan: for obvious reasons
N. Korea: to take over N. Korea, if it goes bad, it could degenerate into a nasty fight involving other neighbors as well as N. Korean. (PLA in Shenyang military district moves from Manchuria. Those in Jinan military district will cross Yellow Sea from Shandong Peninsula to Western shore of N. Korea)
India: over disputed territory or destabilized countries along Indian border (e.g., Nepal and Bhutan)
Myanmar: reinforce flagging pro-China local regime.
Pakistan: in the name of responding to political chaos and defecate civil war in Pakistan.
China: several warlords rise up and bloody battle for the control of whole China begins. Not guaranteed to produce the next unified Chinese empire. This would be the most bloody and costly war China could get into. Odds are high that it would result from the failure of any of the above military adventures.
Well...who you gonna believe?
Sorry...I'm not buying what you are selling. Tibet was invaded by the Chinese and ruthlessly occupied...and is still occupied to this day.
The Communist Chinese are the agressors here, and have been from the get go. One day, and as far as I am concerned, the sooner the better, the communist there are going to get their come uppance. Probably at the hand of their own peoples.
...and, trying to compare what happened in Tibet to the US constitution was very, very lame. Pretty telling actually.
People who need to put words into others' mouths have no argument of their own.
I guess you are sanguine about accepting this inevitability.
I see you couldn't even read my page. If you had, you would know that I've committed over a decade to undermining the principal regulatory weapon of the left. Failing that, I'm prepared to go down fighting and then some.
Well that caps it. Your view is "We're screwed. Live with it." Knock yourself out.
You've gone to great lengths to ignore my response. So I'll ignore yours from now on.
I know all about what you’ve been doing. Been reading your posts for years. But I don’t need your defeatist attitude which I didn’t put into your post it just comes jumping right out.
What are you, the wicked witch of the North? No, you are a garbagman (new word, not a mispelling). This ain't a debating society, we all saw innocents slaughtered in the streets this week. I'll work on getting you banned. Don't feel bad, the garbagemen at Stanford don't get to comment in the lecture halls either.
Chicom propagandists begone!
One of these things is not like the other,
One of these things is not like the other...
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I'm too busy fighting this war to fool with idiots.
Yeah...everybody on this thread who disagrees with your defeatism and surrender re: the ChiComs is an idiot. /sarc
“Expecting facts to prevail in a debate with a Leftist is like expecting a warm smile to prevail in a gun fight.”
Great analogy though I suspect “Carry_Okie” might disagree.
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Exactly. The chitcoms only let out the voices they choose. If they just have balls to let everything out and in ...!
Did you copy this from Chinese History text book? Treaty or not, the same as a marriage, Tibetans should have the freedom and rights to choose their own their life and “get divorced” from the horrible “marriage” with the chitcoms!
We are talking about a group of people who want to live their own way, poor or rich. As to how they will govern their life, it’s none of other people’s business! It’s not up to Han Chinese to judge whether other people’s way of living is up to Han Chinese’s so-called sophisticated or “better” standards. BTW, these so-called Chinese ways have screwed up some Chinese people’s minds and made them lose capacity to think as regular human beings and to enjoy what nature or God grants to each human being. Maybe Tibetans or their culture are not rich or “modern” — So what!? -Even if they want to live in a cave! How about they just don’t want to be peed and pooped overhead by the chitcoms as some Chinese people would tolerate. As human beings, they fight for their freedom, liberty, and integrity - they are much more adorable and have higher self-esteem than those people who would rather live on their knees or die as slaves to exchange for financial benefits. Golden rule to live on Earth: as long as you don’t hurt anybody or affect others, you shall have your God-given unalienated rights to live your life in your own way. Nobody including any government shall have any right to tell you what to do!
Moreover, the current massive Hispanic immigration into the U.S. is no doubt, in the minds of these immigrants, redressing the historic absorption of huge parts of the North American land mass by the U.S. at the expense of Mexico. To the extent that these U.S. minorities/majorities have been and continue to be unrepresented or grossly under-represented in the U.S. Executive branch of government, they create "rift zones" that easily rival any that exist in China, suggesting that the "difference between a democratic republic and a race-based dictatorship" is not at all obvious. The minorities you mention in and on the borders of China are in no position to seriously challenge Han-Chinese dominance -- and they have had the good sense (until the current ill-advised disruption of the Olympic preliminaries) to tred very carefully on Han-Chinese sensitivities -- as, so far, have the Hispanics and Blacks in the U.S. However, as Pat Buchanan has been warning for years, it takes no great imagination to envision how these latter subpopulations could become more fractious than any of those that you mention in and on the borders of China.
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