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U Said: Excuse me, but you have been thoroughly discredited on these boards. You are a liar and a deceiver who quote mines and distorts sources, that has been proven already. Furthermore you have been rebuked and defeated in every debate against Me and Godzilla.

OK, I stopped laughing, now I can respond, first, mane for me one person who has not been discredited in someone else's view point, five seconds... Time's up. See nobody on these forums escapes unscarred, not even Jesus for there are those here who are Atheists. So this is funny, you were discredited, on an anonymous public forum, who that's rich! Do you even know how many people here are "retreads"? (people who were banned and came back under another handle) I'm sure I don't however, I do recognize some posting styles from former opponents who have been banned, and now seem to have new names, but I'm not going to point them out, I just might be wrong, so I'll give the benefit of the doubt.

As to liar, Please prove my intent to deceive anywhere... It's required for lying to stick. Since I have never intended to deceive anyone here, I can say with a completely clear conscience, you are mistaken.

Quote mines, well I have to admit that I have on occasion quote mined just to make a point (see that honesty thing) however poster who have been here a while will remember, that when I am found to have misunderstood or misquoted I do apologize and admit my error, it just doesn't happen very much anymore. It's ne of the reasons I source so much.

Rebuked and defeated, Chuckle, I have not been, I have had such massive and incorrect posts posted tome that by the time I shoveled through all the shinola the threads were abandoned and closed, but I have never been defeated (that requires capitulation), rebuked, well so have you, that one's easy, here "I rebuke you" there you have been rebuked. LOL!

You and Godzilla, ROTFLOL! Godzilla is a paid clergy who I suspect has been assigned here (It's happened before), I also recognize his style from way back. for him I have a little respect for he does indeed know much, it's just sad that he has not shown the faith to actually read the Book of Mormon and pray about it in faith, he'd make a fine asset to our side of this debate. Well, all things in the lord's due time.

as for you, pardon my opinion, but you are a punk, you say things you can't back up, and then run for help, I dislike that behavior in both Mormons and Non-Mormons, it's unattractive in you, speaking of Lying and being discredited, didn't you ask me not to post to you earlier? and here you are posting to me?

Disingenuous, it's a word you should know. from here on, I will assume that a post asking me to stop posting to you is nothing more than a tactic because you are losing an argument as your last request is now revealed to be.

U Said: As far as the family friendly sham - yes sir, excusing child and wife abuse is most definitely a sham.

Please show where I have ever excused such behavior or apologize. I think that any guy (I still won't call them men) who raises a hand against his wife should be subject to not only the law but public humiliation as a coward and not worthy to crawl back home and apologize. Child abuse is worse, and should be punished even more severely. Please show where I had anything but contempt for these miserable excuses for masculinity or apologize for mischaracterizing me in such a mean fashion.

BTW, this is how you get discredited here in ways that stick, you made a specific allegation back it up, or everyone reading this thread will know you bandy words without proof.

U Said: And please don't talk to me about unrepented sin, you are deep in unrepented sin as long as you continue to regurgitate every satanically inspired lie out of the pits of hell spoken by the LDS and its false peepstone wife stealing couldn't keep it in his pants prophet.

I freely admit that I am a sinner and need Jesus' atonement daily. I admit that I am continually sinning and that though I try and improve I am still a violator of his laws and thus continue to rely upon his grace, I will ever need his grace, this I freely admit, so are we not all sinners?

You accuse me of being satanic, I have not ever noted that you testified of Jesus as I do here (on this very thread) and on my page, you have not even created a page here. Your postings in the past state that you will not even listen to reason about Mormonism, nothing we can say will change your mind, thus you are not involved in a debate, but a smear. In my opinion your posts show Ignorance ,short sightedness, your arguments are capricious, and you have to jump from topic to topic as they are demolished beneath you.

Can you, or can you not show where Polygamy is condemned in the Bible, don't jump to Joseph, don't jump to the Book of Mormon, stick to the bible and answer the question. you won't because you can't Jesus condemns Divorce, but not polygamy, The Bible condemns adultery, not polygamy (Moses was polygamous while writing the prohibition on adultery) The bible simply does not say what you say it says and you, can't take it, I am now awaiting another call for me never to post to you...

You and Godzilla, ROTFLOL! Godzilla is a paid clergy who I suspect has been assigned here (It's happened before), I also recognize his style from way back. for him I have a little respect for he does indeed know much, it's just sad that he has not shown the faith to actually read the Book of Mormon and pray about it in faith, he'd make a fine asset to our side of this debate. Well, all things in the lord's due time.

Yawn, more squeeky noises on the new threadware, (scratching stomach, arising from sermon preparation). First regarding honesty Du - I have made it clear that I have read the bom and given it prayer. The FACT that I told this to you now places your comment in the category of a LIE. To quote your standard

As to liar, Please prove my intent to deceive anywhere...

You are being deceptive about what I've factually done and have relayed to you. That you have used deceptive practices previously, all I have to do is think back to those poor souls chained to their desks writing for NewAvent. Nuf said, you've lied about me - you are a liar.

Can you, or can you not show where Polygamy is condemned in the Bible,

Can you show me where in the bible polygamy is a commandment for for celestial progression - you can expand that search to include the bom too (you know, that chloroformic writing you said I've never read).

As to liar, Please prove my intent to deceive anywhere... It's required for lying to stick. Since I have never intended to deceive anyone here…

BS. You are commanded to lie. Its called Lying for the Lord in your satanic doctrine. Gospel Teaching About Lying from Elder Dallin H. Oaks, a fireside address given to faculty, students, and alumni of BYU on September 12, 1993. He goes on to give a great treatise on the sinfulness of lying then towards the end does a 180 and claims the following:

In contrast to the obligation to tell the truth and nothing but the truth, the obligation to “tell the whole truth” is subject to an important qualification…..”

“Whether a speaker is morally or legally obliged to speak ‘the whole truth’ is therefore determined by the extent of the speaker's duty to disclose……”

“The difficult question is whether we are morally responsible to tell the whole truth. When we have a duty to disclose, we are morally responsible to do so. Where there is no duty to disclose, we have two alternatives. We may be free to disclose if we choose to do so, but there will be circumstances where commandments, covenants, or professional obligations require us to remain silent.”

Another Mormon (or ex now) gives his personal testimony of being excommunicated for telling the truth Here.

You were caught deliberately lying to ME in this post. An excerpt: You said: No, Joseph smith did not answer my prayer, and I did not pray to him (we don't do that) I prayed to God and God answered and his spirit testified of the truthfulness of the book of Mormon, period, end of story…..you focus on Joseph, we focus on Christ.

I said: More lying for the Lord there Delphi???

And then I posted your own doctrine which . “From the day that the priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding up things of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are -- I with you and you with me. I cannot go there without his consent" (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 7:289 See also Search These Commandments, 1984, pg. 133).

I then proved your quote mining from sources you posted in Post #2133 providing the quotes which you left out in my Post #2317.

You were caught red-handed. And still you lie yet again.

Godzilla is a paid clergy…

Since I happen to be the administrative assistant to a ‘paid clergy’ for the past 20+ years now that’s a glowing recommendation for Godzilla. I’ll take that anyday over a lying, deceiving apologist who seeks to lead people into Hell for all eternity.

Like I said I’m done with you. You’re like the energizer bunny, you are rebuked and proven wrong and you bring up the same posts again and again and again. Its really hysterical how brainwashed you are. As to polygamy you were soundly rebuked by Godzilla in this post and yet again on this post and yet you bring up yet AGAIN the very same question in which you were already soundly defeated and proven wrong. I will answer this yet again by mentioning Deut. 17:17 - “neither shall he multiply wives for himself…” or I Timothy 3:2- A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife,… but really Godzilla has already soundly rebuked you. What a pathetic weasel of a man you are.

Can you, or can you not show where Polygamy is condemned in the Bible, don't jump to Joseph, don't jump to the Book of Mormon, stick to the bible and answer the question. you won't because you can't Jesus condemns Divorce, but not polygamy, The Bible condemns adultery, not polygamy (Moses was polygamous while writing the prohibition on adultery) The bible simply does not say what you say it says...

I can show you where monogamy is commanded in the Bible. Can you show me where polygamy is specifically approved or commanded in the Bible?

You said previously in this thread that Polygamy is Biblical and moral. Do you think the Bible approves of everything it narrates?

How many ribs of Adam were used, anyway?

In your opinion, assuming for the sake of argument the general story line, are some of the FLDS men and women guilty of polygamy, or committing adultery and fornication?

Cordially,