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To: conservativegramma

1 Peter 3 (Christ preached unto the spirits in prison.)

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

1 Peter 4 (Why gospel is preached unto the dead—)

1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:

4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:

5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

There will be a thousand years of peace before the Great and Dreadful Day of the Lord

The body sleeps but the spirit is very much alive.


2,838 posted on 04/13/2008 11:11:37 AM PDT by restornu (They allow this little quibble over scripture to blind them!)
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To: restornu
Interesting you ignore Hebrews 9:27. Guess that’s the LDS way, ignore passages which prove your theology wrong and twist passages which you think support it rather than using proper biblical exegesis. Rather you resort to eisegesis (from www.dictionary.com “an interpretation, esp. of Scripture, that expresses the interpreter's own ideas, bias, or the like, rather than the meaning of the text”). Of course this is no surprise that you would fall victim to this faulty interpretation method as we all know that you follow a false prophet. This means of course that ALL subsequent teachings, including passages of Scripture and what they mean are going to be in error. Obviously you need to be properly instructed so let’s look at what I Peter 3:19-22 REALLY means shall we????

“Between Christ’s death and resurrection, His living spirit went to the demonic spirits bound in the abyss and proclaimed that, in spite of His death, He [Christ] had triumphed over them, i.e, spirits in prison. This phrase, ‘spirits in prison’ refers to fallen angels (demons) who were permanently bound because of heinous wickedness. The demons who are not so bound resist such a sentence (cf. Luke 8:31). In the end, they will all be sent to the eternal lake of fire (Matt. 25:41; Rev. 20:10).” (The MacArthur Study Bible, c1997 Word Publishing; pp. 1945-46).

“I Peter 3:19-20 - Some believe Peter here referred to the descent of Christ’s Spirit into hades between His death and resurrection to offer people who lived before the Flood a second chance for salvation. However, this interpretation has no scriptural support.” (The Bible Knowledge Commentary, Walvoord & Zuck, c1983, p. 851). The Greek word translated ‘spirits’ in this passage is pneumasin, a term usually applied to ‘supernatural beings’. Therefore, your erroneous contention that Christ preached to the dead somehow offering them a 2nd chance is a completely false interpretation of this passage. Furthermore such an idea ‘contradicts’ Hebrews 9:27 which is completely opposite. Remember: Scripture interprets Scripture…if another passage contradicts your perceived viewpoint, its your viewpoint which is in error.

Now onto I Peter 4:1-5 -

First off, there is absolutely NOTHING in that passage that would infer the Gospel being preached to the dead, talk about eisegesis! What it does mean is this:

“In light of the triumphant suffering and death of Christ, Peter’s readers should also be willing to suffer in the flesh, knowing that it potentially produces the greatest triumph…The Christian should be armed with the same thought that was manifest in the suffering of Christ, namely that one can be triumphant in suffering, even the suffering of death. In other words, the Christian should voluntarily accept the potential of death as a part of the Christian life (cf. Matt. 10:38, 39; 2 Cor. 4:8-11). Peter would have his opportunity to live this principle himself, when he faced martyrdom (see John 21:18, 19). [The phrase ‘has ceased from sin’] The perfect tense of the verb emphasizes a permanent eternal condition free from sin. The worst that can happen to a believer suffering unjustly is death, and that is the best that can happen because death means the complete and final end of all sins. If the Christian is armed with the goal of being delivered from sin, and that goal is achieved through his death, the threat and experience of death is precious (cf. Rom. 7:5, 18; I Cor. 1:21, 15:42, 49). Moreover, the greatest weapon that the enemy has against the Christian, the threat of death, is not effective. If the goal of the Christian’s life is the freedom from sin which comes at death, then he should live the remainder of his life on earth pursuing the holy will of God rather than the ungodly lusts of the flesh…..[In v. 5 ‘to give an account’] This verb means ‘to pay back’. People who have ‘walked in lewedness’ (v. 3) and who malign believers (v. 4) are amassing a debt to God which they will spend all eternity paying back…..All the unsaved, currently alive or dead, will be brought before the Judge, the Lord Jesus Christ at the Great White Throne Judgment (Rev. 20:11-15; cf. Rom. 3:19; 2 Thess. 1:6-10).” (The MacArthur Study Bible, Word Publishing, c1997 p. 1946).

“Those who have spent their lives in indulgence and idolatry will someday give an account (apodosousin logon), lit., ‘give back a word or an account’; (cf. Matt. 12:36; Luke 16:2; Acts 19:40; Heb. 13:17). Peter warned that these people must one day face the One who is ready (i.e, willing) to judge. No one will escape this final judgment of the words and works of his earthly life, when Christ will judge both the living (zontas) and the dead (nekrous) (cf. Acts 10:42; Rom. 14:9; I Thess. 4:15; 2 Tim. 4:1).” (The Bible Knowledge Commentary, Walvoord & Zuck, c1983, p. 853).

You should pay particular attention to I Peter 4:5 for as you continue to proclaim a false Gospel via a false Prophet at the same time attacking those who preach the truth as you have done consistently on these boards: your own judgment is going to be SEVERE. This passage has absolutely NOTHING to do with giving the dead any sort of 2nd chance. And its your obvious twisting of Scripture in these 2 passages why no one should ever listen to any Mormon’s scriptural teaching – you follow a false prophet - ergo you get it wrong every single time.

Luke 16:24 - 24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Please provide precise scriptural reference specifically referring to this instance by name where the rich man in the above passage was ever given a 2nd chance.

2,846 posted on 04/13/2008 12:08:22 PM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: restornu
1 Peter 3 (Christ preached unto the spirits in prison.)

HELLO!

You DON'T get tossed into prison unless you are JUDGED!

2,865 posted on 04/13/2008 1:27:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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