Posted on 04/06/2008 5:27:22 AM PDT by SkyPilot
I truly don’t know, Degaston. That’s up to you and what you can live with.
I hadn’t time to get to that part yet!
Interesting site!
They need to add to their list “the disgusted, the nauseated..”
Matthew 9
10 ¶ And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.
11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?
12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
My prayers are with you and you niece today.
We can all agree that the innocent ones among us like your niece will most certianly go straight to heaven.
God bless you and yours.
They need to add to their list “the disgusted, the nauseated..”
Sounds like a pretty accurate assessment to me. I must say this thread has been educational. Before this, I had thought of the LDS as mostly just anothe denomination which happened to have some rather strange ideas (sorta like primitive baptists), but after a couple of the things they have said, I have seen the dark spot they have on their hearts... the joy they feel with the suffering of others. Creeeeeeeeppppppy. After speaking with them I feel a need for a long, hot shower with lots of soap.
Judging another sure is creepy when some should be denied counsel because they are sinners you dislike!
Dark spots...
Huh???
“Between Christ’s death and resurrection, His living spirit went to the demonic spirits bound in the abyss and proclaimed that, in spite of His death, He [Christ] had triumphed over them, i.e, spirits in prison. This phrase, ‘spirits in prison’ refers to fallen angels (demons) who were permanently bound because of heinous wickedness. The demons who are not so bound resist such a sentence (cf. Luke 8:31). In the end, they will all be sent to the eternal lake of fire (Matt. 25:41; Rev. 20:10).” (The MacArthur Study Bible, c1997 Word Publishing; pp. 1945-46).
“I Peter 3:19-20 - Some believe Peter here referred to the descent of Christ’s Spirit into hades between His death and resurrection to offer people who lived before the Flood a second chance for salvation. However, this interpretation has no scriptural support.” (The Bible Knowledge Commentary, Walvoord & Zuck, c1983, p. 851). The Greek word translated ‘spirits’ in this passage is pneumasin, a term usually applied to ‘supernatural beings’. Therefore, your erroneous contention that Christ preached to the dead somehow offering them a 2nd chance is a completely false interpretation of this passage. Furthermore such an idea ‘contradicts’ Hebrews 9:27 which is completely opposite. Remember: Scripture interprets Scripture…if another passage contradicts your perceived viewpoint, its your viewpoint which is in error.
Now onto I Peter 4:1-5 -
First off, there is absolutely NOTHING in that passage that would infer the Gospel being preached to the dead, talk about eisegesis! What it does mean is this:
“In light of the triumphant suffering and death of Christ, Peter’s readers should also be willing to suffer in the flesh, knowing that it potentially produces the greatest triumph…The Christian should be armed with the same thought that was manifest in the suffering of Christ, namely that one can be triumphant in suffering, even the suffering of death. In other words, the Christian should voluntarily accept the potential of death as a part of the Christian life (cf. Matt. 10:38, 39; 2 Cor. 4:8-11). Peter would have his opportunity to live this principle himself, when he faced martyrdom (see John 21:18, 19). [The phrase ‘has ceased from sin’] The perfect tense of the verb emphasizes a permanent eternal condition free from sin. The worst that can happen to a believer suffering unjustly is death, and that is the best that can happen because death means the complete and final end of all sins. If the Christian is armed with the goal of being delivered from sin, and that goal is achieved through his death, the threat and experience of death is precious (cf. Rom. 7:5, 18; I Cor. 1:21, 15:42, 49). Moreover, the greatest weapon that the enemy has against the Christian, the threat of death, is not effective. If the goal of the Christian’s life is the freedom from sin which comes at death, then he should live the remainder of his life on earth pursuing the holy will of God rather than the ungodly lusts of the flesh…..[In v. 5 ‘to give an account’] This verb means ‘to pay back’. People who have ‘walked in lewedness’ (v. 3) and who malign believers (v. 4) are amassing a debt to God which they will spend all eternity paying back…..All the unsaved, currently alive or dead, will be brought before the Judge, the Lord Jesus Christ at the Great White Throne Judgment (Rev. 20:11-15; cf. Rom. 3:19; 2 Thess. 1:6-10).” (The MacArthur Study Bible, Word Publishing, c1997 p. 1946).
“Those who have spent their lives in indulgence and idolatry will someday give an account (apodosousin logon), lit., ‘give back a word or an account’; (cf. Matt. 12:36; Luke 16:2; Acts 19:40; Heb. 13:17). Peter warned that these people must one day face the One who is ready (i.e, willing) to judge. No one will escape this final judgment of the words and works of his earthly life, when Christ will judge both the living (zontas) and the dead (nekrous) (cf. Acts 10:42; Rom. 14:9; I Thess. 4:15; 2 Tim. 4:1).” (The Bible Knowledge Commentary, Walvoord & Zuck, c1983, p. 853).
You should pay particular attention to I Peter 4:5 for as you continue to proclaim a false Gospel via a false Prophet at the same time attacking those who preach the truth as you have done consistently on these boards: your own judgment is going to be SEVERE. This passage has absolutely NOTHING to do with giving the dead any sort of 2nd chance. And its your obvious twisting of Scripture in these 2 passages why no one should ever listen to any Mormon’s scriptural teaching – you follow a false prophet - ergo you get it wrong every single time.
Luke 16:24 - 24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Please provide precise scriptural reference specifically referring to this instance by name where the rich man in the above passage was ever given a 2nd chance.
I have fun most days. Yesterday, I went walking on the trail separating Virginia and West Virginia, just off Rt 55, near Wardensville. Spot accompanied me.
I didn't realize that quoting Scripture was defined as "preaching". You are incessant with your lies and ridicule, and have no open eyes to see the Truth, when it is in your face.
You always become dismissive when confronted with the Word of God. Why is that? Do you really expect us to believe that joe smith will be waiting at the Gates, to let us in, or send us to Hell?
It is precisely why you don't recognize the Truth of Scripture. It would reveal you to have been fooled. But, be fooled or be dead to God. That is the option... +++++
Ephesians 1
1Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints in Ephesus,[a] the faithful[b] in Christ Jesus:
2Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
3Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5he[c] predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. 7In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace 8that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. 9And he[d] made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, 10to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment—to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ.
11In him we were also chosen,[e] having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, 12in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. 13And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.
The redemption was for those before and those present as well as for those yet unborn
This has nothing to do with second chance where ever you get that from, those who have never receive a witness from the Holy Spirit.(many like to assign that to the LDS an in most cases an x lds is where this most likely came from. Because they never receive the witness themselves.)
I don't need a scholar interpertation when the spirit of the Lord is the one who teaches for all who are willing to listen.
You amaze me when it is as clear as day
1 Peter 4
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
Jesus spend endless hours speaking and on many it fell on deaf ears, and those who had ears to hear received the understanding by the Power of the spirit Lord!
Heb 10
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
My opinion may have changed if, when pointed out what the implications of what you were saying, You had said something along the lines of “Let me clarify” or “I did not mean that in the way you apparently took it” or something along that line. I have made such errors many times, and you will find several places within this very thread in which I clarified my statements in order to prevent such misunderstandings.
Instead you provided justifications for feeling the way you did, which tells me that the manner in which I took your statement was precisely what you meant. And the sentiment that you expressed is one which I personally find abhorent. I seldom encounter unrepentant evil of that sort, and I do find it to be a creepy individual that expresses them. I feel as if I have been speaking with something that is absolutely alien.
I have said my piece, and you have said enough for me to understand where you are coming from... nothing else need be said.
I would appreciate it from now on if you confine comments to other people, and I will do the same.
11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?
Why resty, are you comparing some mormon leader to Jesus....? How quaint!
Prayer for Carissa.
Why am I not surprised that you would be haughty...
YOU have no idea what the BVible says!
If you did; you'll tell the lurkers what was UNTRUE about PRESBYTERIANISM.
YOU don't even have OLD material, or else you could tell us just what was UNTRUE about PRESBYTERIANISM.
All right...Just WHO was bad at #2808 while I was at church?
All of the Lord's children still need counsel for those who are willing to over come their ways!
There have been some who were able to do it and other who have practiced a life of celibacy through the atonement of Jesus Christ.
There are many families praying for their children to be free of this affliciton.
You would be surprised how many from Chirstians and LDS families that have this problem they love the Lord but feel helpless.
Those who are servants of the Lord should reach out to help them increase their faith and hope in the Lord to turn away from this behavior.
2- "Sealed" means this married is for Heaven.
You'll find these definitions in the Mormon Dictionary...
Why NOT??
What is WRONG with it?
What is UNTRUE about it?
Come on!!
ANY fresh-faced Mormon Missionary (who knows MORE about God and salvation than anyone who would attack them) should be able to answer these questions.
You, Restornu, claim to have studied for YEARS and now know the TRUTH.
Please, for GOD's SAKE - SHARE WITH US!!
Our differences aside; I pray that GOD’s peace will be with her and her family in a tangible way.
You like to ignore.
You should type less.
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