Posted on 04/06/2008 5:27:22 AM PDT by SkyPilot
Local and state officials entered the temple of a secretive polygamist sect late Saturday, said lawmen blockading the road to the YFZ Ranch near Eldorado.
The action comes hours after local prosecutors said officials were preparing for the worst because a group of FLDS members were resisting efforts to search the structure.
The Texas Department of Public Safety trooper and Schleicher County sheriff’s deputy confirmed that officials have entered the temple but said they had no word on whether anything occurred in the effort.
The incursion into the temple caps the three-day saga of the state’s Child Protective Services agency removing at least 183 women and children from the YFZ Ranch since Friday afternoon. Eighteen girls have been placed in state custody since a 16-year-old told authorities she was married to a 50-year-old man and had given birth to his child.
Saturday evening, ambulances were brought in, said Allison Palmer, who as first assistant 51st District attorney, would prosecute any felony crimes uncovered as part of the investigation inside the compound.
“In preparing for entry to the temple, law enforcement is preparing for the worst,” Palmer said Saturday evening. They want to have “medical personnel on hand in case this were to go in a way that no one wants.”
Apparently as a result of action Saturday night at the ranch, about 10:15 p.m. Saturday, a Schleicher County school bus unloaded another group of at least a dozen more women and children from the compound.
Although members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or FLDS, have provided varying degrees of cooperation to the sheriff’s deputies and Texas Rangers searching the compound, all cooperation stopped once authorities tried to search the gleaming white temple that towers over the West Texas scrub, Palmer said.
“There may be those who would oppose (entry) by placing themselves between law enforcement and the place of worship,” Palmer said Saturday afternoon. “If an agreement cannot be reached … law enforcement will have to — as gently and peaceably as possible — make entry into that place.”
Sect members consider the temple, dedicated by then-leader of the sect Warren Jeffs in January 2005 and finished many months later, off-limits to those who are not FLDS members, said Palmer, who prosecutes felony cases in Schleicher County.
Palmer said she didn’t know the size or makeup of the group inside the temple.
The earlier refusal to provide access was even more disconcerting because CPS investigators have yet to identify the 16-year-old girl or her roughly 8-month-old baby among the dozens removed from the compound, Palmer said.
“Anytime someone says, ‘Don’t look here,’” she said, “it makes you concerned that’s exactly where you need to look.”
The girl told authorities in two separate phone calls a day apart that she was married to a 50-year-old man, Dale Barlow, who had fathered her child, Palmer said.
The joint raid included the Texas Rangers, CPS, Schleicher County and Tom Green County sheriff’s deputies and game wardens from the Texas Department of Parks and Wildlife.
Although CPS and Department of Public Safety officials have described the compound’s residents as cooperative, Palmer disagreed.
“Things have been a little tense, a little volatile,” she said.
Authorities removed 52 children Friday afternoon and 131 women and children overnight Friday. About 40 of the children are boys, said CPS spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner.
No further children have been taken into state custody since Friday, when 18 girls were judged to have been abused or be at imminent risk for abuse. CPS has found foster homes for the girls, Meisner said, and will place them after concluding its investigation.
Meisner declined to comment on the fate of the 119 other children and said authorities were still searching the ranch for others Saturday evening.
“They’re in the process of looking,” she said. “They’re literally about halfway through.”
Prednisone. That will cure anything. I’ve had serious neck problems for about a year from an accident. I broke my upper jawbone and my neck. I’ve got titanium in my face now. The fractures when through my sinuses so I’ve had chronic sinus problems now. 2 weeks ago I decided to go to a specialist and they gave me prednisone and physical therapy. I’m not sure how much good the physical therapy is, BUT THAT PREDNISONE IS A DAM CURE ALL! It cured my neck, it cured my sinuses. It even cured my bad hip(almost) and my bad knee(almost) and all my stiff joints. The only problem with it is it causes insomnia and makes me have to pee all the time. Oh, yeah, also it makes you gain weight like crazy. I think I gained 15 pounds in the week I was on it. If I had to take it for a few months...OH MY, ID BE HUGE. I’ve been off of it now for almost a week and so far none of my problems have come back. My neck isn’t perfect, but I’m still doing my excercises and it’s still getting a little bit better every day.
I’m a big believer in prednisone
The first day I was on it, I felt so good I couldn’t sit still. I was up half the night doing pushups and situps and I went down to the basement and dug out some of the old weight and started lifting weights. And my mind was in some kind of time machine. I was having vivid flashbacks of youthfull memories. I was remembering my first car, cruising the strip, the old radio in my car, the smell of a freshly waxed hotrod running overly rich with glasspacks, the smell of my first serious girlfriend...it was WILD.
It is a really freaky drug.
“I would venture to guess I am responding to more and larger posts than you... “
When you saturate a thread with useless comments like that you are attempting to generate numbers.
Oh man.. it can have some nasty side effects though. A friend of mine takes that, and his skin looks like crepe paper, and the slightest bump he bruises and begins to bleed thru his skin.
At a high dose, Deltasone may cause fluid retention and high blood pressure. If this happens, you may need a low-salt diet and a potassium supplement.
With prolonged Deltasone treatment, eye problems may develop (e.g. a viral or fungal eye infection, cataracts, or glaucoma).
If you take Deltasone over the long term, the buildup of adrenal hormones in your body may cause a condition called Cushing's syndrome, marked by weight gain, a "moon-faced" appearance, thin, fragile skin, muscle weakness, brittle bones, and purplish stripe marks on the skin. Women are more vulnerable to this problem than men. Alternate-day therapy may help prevent its development.
Other potential side effects from prednisone include:
Bone fractures, bruising, bulging eyes, congestive heart failure, convulsions, distended abdomen, face redness, glaucoma, headache, hives and other allergic-type reactions, increased pressure inside eyes or skull, inflamed esophagus or pancreas, irregular menstrual periods, muscle weakness or disease, osteoporosis, peptic ulcer, poor healing of wounds, stunted growth (in children), sweating, thin, fragile skin, vertigo
“So the all knowing God knew nothing about it?”
Are you not aware that the all knowing Creator knew that Adam would eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and die, before He made Him even, and had already planned the once for all time redemption of Adam, “from the foundation of the world”, by the Slain Lamb”?
Because the Bible records the failings of man does not authorize you to copy them.
God took one rib and made one female Adam person for the one male Adam person. -That’s the revelation of His plan, and He hasn’t changed His mind about that.
Ptthhhh... I got all that way back when I said "I do."
"At a high dose, Deltasone may cause fluid retention and high blood pressure."
Yup, that's her.
I did have a slight fit of anger at work one day last week. I smashed my cell phone and stomped on it, slammed a few doors, and yelled a bunch of obscenities and threatened a few poeple. The last time I remember doing something like that was when I was 15 or 16. No, I didn’t get into trouble. THere was only one person around at the time and my anger wasn’t even directed at him so he ignored me.
I’m glad you told me that so now I can blame it on the prednisone, not my insanity.
“Gee, I’ll bet she was much younger than he was, why are you not reviling him for that?”
That is not relevant. In fact the Book of Jasher states that Moses’ father took a wife when she was 120 years old, after which she bore to him Aaron, Miriam, and then, later, Moses.
Jasher also states that the Ethiopian [Cushite] woman that the Chusites gave Moses as a wife was never touched sexually by Moses, though they gave her to him, and apparently it was politically expedient to take her into the household of his kingship, which the Cushites gave Moses over Cush for 40 years. -I just threw that in for free, but the age of Moses’ mother at that time was not a factor in her being able to bear children and to be desirable as the one -and only one- wife to Moses father.
Don't you do insurance defense work? ;-)
BTW, I agree with you; but I couldn't resist.
I think you're on to something here.
It appears that on several occasions in the OT, God permitted, even commanded people to break his commandments. For example, God said, "Thou shalt not kill." (Exodus 20:13). Yet, He commanded King Saul through the prophet Samuel to kill every man, woman, and child among the Amalekites. (See Obedience is better than Sacrifice, from TorahBytes.org.)
Why would God ever allow "exceptions" to the rules, even for one individual or group of people? It doesn't seem logical to me that God would contradict himself.
Religious leaders of all stripes have used the idea of "exceptions to the rule" to justify myriad practices, which "normal" people find abhorrent.
Those leaders will be held accountable before God, and He will deal with them in his own way.
What baffles me is how religions manage to survive despite the sins committed by their leaders and practitioners from the past (and present). History is rife with examples of sexual exploitation of innocents, power struggles, deceipt, and other atrocities among the religious elite of all denominations, yet Catholicism, Protestantism, and Mormonism have all managed to survive.
One question might be, how do we reconcile the "good" done in the name of relgion, while acknowledging the "evil" that also occurs?
Another relevant question might be, should modern day adherents of a particular religion be held responsible for the past practices of their founders? To me, the answer is Yes, if they continue in those practices today. We have an example of that with the current situation in Texas. The FLDS continue to live in their past, while the mainstream faith has moved far beyond it.
Has God "changed his mind" about certain practices? Perhaps. Only He can answer that. Have religious leaders "changed with the times?" Absolutely. One only has to glimpse into many of today's liberal "Christian" churches, which preach environmentalism, feminism, almost anything but the fundamentals of Christ's gospel to see that. Not a single denomination exists today in the same form as it did in the 19th Century (well, maybe the Amish).
Are modern-day Jews to be vilified because some of their revered prophets from the past condoned mass murder? Probably not. Do some Jews believe they should take the same course of action today (with regards to their "enemies" in Gaza for example)? Perhaps. Does that mean God will support them if they annihilate their neighbors as their ancestors once did? I seriously doubt it.
So where does that leave us? Mormons need to deal with their past. Not an easy thing to do given the numerous problems in their history. Others need to deal with the Mormon's "present." I think that is just as hard to do.
Absolutely amazing and well said post sir! Well done.
It is, in a word........ SICK!
And not only sick.......Evil.
There is nothing in this world more evil than what I'm seeing coming from mainstream LDS defending the rape of young girls. They may as well be members of Al Quaeda as far as I'm concerned.
More on ages -just for you, Noah’s wife was five hundred years old when he took her to himself:
From the Book of Jasher, chapter 5 [which was translated a long time ago and so the English is outdated, but readable: [http://www.ccel.org/a/anonymous/jasher/5.htm]
Noah the son of Lamech refrained from taking a wife in those days, to beget children, for he said, Surely now God will destroy the earth, wherefore then shall I beget children?
And Noah was a just man, he was perfect in his generation, and the Lord chose him to raise up seed from his seed upon the face of the earth.
And the Lord said unto Noah, Take unto thee a wife, and beget children, for I have seen thee righteous before me in this generation.
And thou shalt raise up seed, and thy children with thee, in the midst of the earth; and Noah went and took a wife, and he chose Naamah the daughter of Enoch, and she was five hundred and eighty years old.
And Noah was four hundred and ninety-eight years old, when he took Naamah for a wife.
And Naamah conceived and bare a son, and he called his name Japheth, saying, God has enlarged me in the earth; and she conceived again and bare a son, and he called his name Shem, saying, God has made me a remnant, to raise up seed in the midst of the earth.
And Noah was five hundred and two years old when Naamah bare Shem, and the boys grew up and went in the ways of the Lord, in all that Methuselah and Noah their father taught them.
Gee, Elsie, I think that we’re missing something here. If righteous Abraham could lie and still had God’s approval and blessing, then we can, too.
Whew, That’s one less commandment we have to worry about keeping.
Now we’re down to 8. Adultery’s off the list and so is lying.
Any more we can eliminate?
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The false prophet Joseph Smith got rid of this one too...
# 10 Thou shalt not covet...thy neighbors wife...
“The FLDS continue to live in their past, while the mainstream faith has moved far beyond it. “
You must not be reading the same threads that I am, such as this one.
What is shocking most of us is to learn where their sympathies and loyalties lie.
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It appears that on several occasions in the OT, God permitted, even commanded people to break his commandments. For example, God said, “Thou shalt not kill.” (Exodus 20:13). Yet, He commanded King Saul through the prophet Samuel to kill every man, woman, and child among the Amalekites.”
God never commanded to not kill. The original Hebrew says “thou shalt not commit murder”.
There is no exception to that rule.
I’ve used it on occasion for bad allergic reactions. I have to when I get stung.
It does leave on wired, but what the goal was for you was to allow your body to heal.
Inflamed tissue does not heal. By reducing the inflammation, your body had the opportunity to heal itself. That’s why the symptoms never came back.
Still haven't figured out how to use that lexicon yet DU? 1 Tim 3:2 the greek is very clear in its usage, it says miav gunaikov, which is clearly one at a time. Had it been used the way your bogus greek interpretation goes, it should have incorporated a comparative like mikroteros which references quantity or amount. Context for the others is comparable. But alas for your frail efforts, it is absent, right along with your logic. So in the case of you and mormonism, it is not a case of translating correctly, it is the case of being able to translate at all.
See ya around then
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