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Avoiding Math and Science Like the Plague
TownHall ^ | 03/31/08 | Armstrong Williams

Posted on 03/31/2008 6:59:33 AM PDT by too much time

Take a minute to think about the following: When was the last time you made a mathematical calculation in your head or by hand (yes which means not using a calculator)? Surely, some of you avoid math like the plague – especially when your teenage child comes around looking for help on their math homework – but you must admit that even in this compalculator era it comes in handy to be able to tally your bills in your head or figure out the miles per gallon you’re getting while driving along in traffic.

Surely it seems reasonable to expect that people with high school diplomas and college degrees shouldn’t be afraid of a little algebra. We all took math in school, and although most of us struggled with the subject, and many of us hated every second of it, we did it and we got by. We got by, and it has helped us in some way or another while at college, work, or home. But if you thought math was hard for you, consider how hard your kids have it.

It shouldn’t be hard to understand why most American teenagers struggle with math and other basic subjects like science and English. Schools are overcrowded and rundown, teachers are underpaid and......

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To: Abathar

Addition. With 10x10, I was actually saying “10 by 10”. Although once you have the addition, you only need to memorize 15 or so multiplication facts and you have that one cold as well :)


21 posted on 03/31/2008 7:24:52 AM PDT by Technocrat (McCain-Romney 2008. Crap.)
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To: OrioleFan; jnygrl

So very true.
I’ll check out the Zoombinis.


22 posted on 03/31/2008 7:27:17 AM PDT by svcw (I reject your reality and substitute my own.)
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To: too much time
Take a minute to think about the following: When was the last time you made a mathematical calculation in your head or by hand (yes which means not using a calculator)?

Everyday for anything under 20x20. I freak out the cashier because I'm usually faster than her machine.

23 posted on 03/31/2008 7:27:38 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (su - | echo "All your " | chown -740 us ./base | kill -9 | cd / | rm -r | echo "belong to us")
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To: too much time

Who uses math and science? I do, even though I do not work in a strictly scientific field. My family used “real world” examples to teach math concepts to me when I was a wee bairn. For example, they used money and units of measure as a means to teach fractions. I also use math (including geometry) quite a bit in my hobby.


24 posted on 03/31/2008 7:28:10 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: too much time

I’m still trying to figure out the “need” for one of those Texas Instruments graphing calculators by junior high school. Seems like learning the calculator would take more time than learning the math the calculator is to perform.


25 posted on 03/31/2008 7:29:02 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Bill Clinton: HILLARY!'s other big ass)
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To: dfwgator

Nice! That’s the only way to go in the early years. Just the discipline alone will carry them through until their algebra brain comes in, somewhere around the age of 10.


26 posted on 03/31/2008 7:31:18 AM PDT by Technocrat (McCain-Romney 2008. Crap.)
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To: bizeemommie
I found out a few months ago that my oldest sister, a physics major, had never memorized her multiplication tables! It turns out that when she should have been learning them, she asked my dad, a math teacher, if there wasn't some way to figure out the answer rather than just memorizing them. He said "NO, memorize them" and she decided to prove him wrong. I think it was her rebellious streak. This was waayy before calculators too. She and her fiance pooled their resources and bought their first calculator for their last finals their senior year.

I always liked math, and really loved geometry. It was the homework I could do while I watched TV! Calculus was my downfall. My daughters, on the other hand, had no trouble with it.

27 posted on 03/31/2008 7:34:30 AM PDT by stayathomemom
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To: CholeraJoe
I was an apprentice machinist, everything was in thousandths. To this day I have to convert .250 to 1/4.

An old timer taught me that .250 is the only number you need to know, if you want a fraction multiply or divide and then convert.

28 posted on 03/31/2008 7:35:33 AM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: svcw

Teaching math with real world examples, as you are doing, is best. Teaching kids how without understanding why leads to confusion.


29 posted on 03/31/2008 7:48:53 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: samtheman

My son and I play the “change game” with clerks all of the time. It’s always good for a laugh.


30 posted on 03/31/2008 7:51:48 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Little Bill

I had to laugh at this only because my 7th grade son changes everything to decimals. I am not sure why he started doing that, but he says that it makes everything easier. Fractions are easier for me, so I have to convert everything back to make sure that he is doing the problem right.


31 posted on 03/31/2008 7:58:33 AM PDT by bizeemommie
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To: bizeemommie
It is actually, every mother teaches their kids, at least in my day. This is a pie cut it in half 1/2, equals .500, cut that half on a half, equals 1/4, .250.

The rule is add and divide up and divide down. Once you get the hang of it it is easy.

32 posted on 03/31/2008 8:18:06 AM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: metmom

Another reason to homeschool.


33 posted on 03/31/2008 1:38:40 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; 2Jedismom; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; Antoninus; arbooz; bboop; bill1952; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. If you want on/off this list, please freepmail me. The main Homeschool Ping List by DaveLoneRanger handles the homeschool-specific articles. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list.
34 posted on 03/31/2008 1:44:32 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: too much time

Education majors have the lowest SAT, ACT, and GRE scores on campus.

I conclude that too many government teachers are:

1) Math phobics themselves.
2) Don’t have a high enough IQ to master math.
3) Were government school graduates themselves.

Also, the parents of school kids are, for the most part, were recently government schooled in “new” math methods, and therefore completely unable to teach their kids basic math.


35 posted on 03/31/2008 2:33:27 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

When I was in college (late 60s), my university had a “School of Education”. The inhabitants were the utter dregs of academic society. Judging from what I read, nothing has changed.


36 posted on 03/31/2008 2:47:47 PM PDT by surely_you_jest (I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. - Will Rogers)
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To: Paradox
When I am bored and have no way to pass the time, I'll often do math problems in my head, and if they get tough, I'll do it with pencil and paper, if I have them around. I am no math genius either. I keep a calculator in my briefcase when I want to work on really complicated stuff.

Heh heh heh... reminds me of the episode in Friends when Joey was teaching an acting class. "If you're supposed to look bewildered, just try to divide 213 by 37 in your head."

37 posted on 03/31/2008 3:12:48 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: metmom; Aquinasfan; wintertime

The article is wrong when it says that while he hated the classes, taking them helped him down the road. Nothing I took in high school has been of any use to me, and there is not one person who cares whether I remember any of it.


38 posted on 03/31/2008 4:13:49 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Those in the national Republican leadership do the work of three men- Moe, Larry, and Curly.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Same here.

Everything I’ve learned that I found useful was in college, homeschooling my own kids, or on my own, cause I needed to learn something for a job or something like that.


39 posted on 03/31/2008 5:49:55 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; Clintonfatigued

Ditto!

The only thing the school did was send home a curriculum and textbooks.

Even with English, it was my parents who taught me English composition. They were the people who ruthlessly ( thankfully) red penned my compositions, and corrected all spelling and grammar.


40 posted on 03/31/2008 7:02:44 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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