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Police race to match criminals' firepower, Congress owns blame (Propaganda alert)
The Morning Journal ^ | 03/24/2008 | The Morning Journal

Posted on 03/24/2008 7:31:13 AM PDT by holymoly

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To: Clemenza
*** From what I see down the road in Philadelphia, to say nothing of certain towns in South Florida, its no so much a case of the illegals committing crimes (although this is a factor), but of the “second baby boom” (aka the “crack baby boom”) who were born in the mid-late 80s/early 90s hitting the streets, to say nothing of the large number of folks who were locked up during the 1990s being paroled. ***

'Those people' (that's ok I'm a 'Typical White Person' /s) are definitely adding to the overall crime rate (Philly is a quagmire). But overall, to me it seems the LEO's are getting killed mostly by illegal gang bangers. Or maybe the MSM is focusing more on them and ignoring / glossing over, inner city Blacks shooting Cops (again Philly aside).

41 posted on 03/24/2008 8:56:06 AM PDT by Condor51 (If my nose was runnin' money, honey I'd blow it all on you.)
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To: Beelzebubba
Militarized "law enforcement" agencies are the standing army our Founders feared.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but if there's a bright spot to their existence, it's that they're not really trained to handle organized resistance.

SWAT losses would become quickly unsustainable if they lost their standard advantage of overwhelming numerical superiority.

42 posted on 03/24/2008 8:57:51 AM PDT by papertyger (YOU'RE A RACIST! YOU'RE A RACIST! (looking for a job in journalism))
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To: Jaxter

Thanks


43 posted on 03/24/2008 9:00:15 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." FDR)
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To: massgopguy
My city’s PD got 25 Bushmaster 7.62 M-14’s with laser sights last fall. Held one. Yeah, it was cool.

B.S.

Bushmaster doesn't make a "M14" or anything like it. Nor do they make anything in 7.62. And no LE armorer would put a "laser" sight on a M14 or a 7.62 - holographic yes - lasers on rifles are for the wanna-be mall ninjas. (which you sound like)

44 posted on 03/24/2008 9:06:11 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (DR #1692)
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To: Condor51
You would think that, coming from countries where the cops are often crooks themselves, that would be the case.

They will also learn the hard way that cops in the U S of A are a lot more expensive that "La Policia" in Guate' City or Puebla.

45 posted on 03/24/2008 9:09:42 AM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: holymoly
"By what right does Congress and the President of the United States put at risk the lives of the young men and women who put on those uniforms and those badges?"

By what right does the chief elevate the rights of the public SERVANTS above the public they claim to serve????? Our rights are SUPPOSED to be superior to those we employ.

46 posted on 03/24/2008 9:12:14 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Oztrich Boy

“Unless Congress acts, the firearms of choice for terrorists, drug dealers, gang members and thugs will be back on our streets where once again our officers will be outgunned by criminals.’’ That has come to pass.”

What a crock from this clown. I come from a law enforcement family. They all understood the risks when they swore their oaths. If there are cops overly worried that their going to be shot then they should have become librarians.


47 posted on 03/24/2008 9:20:35 AM PDT by Towed_Jumper (Stephen Hopkins: Founding Father who had Cerebral Palsy.."My hand trembles, my heart does not.")
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To: Towed_Jumper

Exactly. The rights and priveliges of the guy choosing to serve the public cannot be so important they are used as a reason to restrict the liberties and freedoms of that same public, otherwise he’s not serving them, they’re serving him. Anyone who’s willing to take the job with that mindset, I salute. I couldn’t do it.


48 posted on 03/24/2008 9:37:15 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: holymoly
Los Angeles police learned the danger of being outgunned by criminals wearing body armor in 1997, when 11 officers were injured, plus two civilians, in a gun battle with two bank robbers.

Ah, wasn't that before the AWB expired? These police state generals will never be satisfied until the entire population of subjects is neutered and the enforcers are armed with state of the art weaponry and gear. Their one track mindset can't comprehend concepts such as they work for us, we have a constitution, etc. When will we start firing dangerous people like this?

49 posted on 03/24/2008 9:44:31 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: holymoly
Miami Police Chief John Timoney calls the new arms race with criminals ''a national problem.'' He has armed his officers with AR-15 assault rifles in response.

This Bozo is facing corruption charges for the use of a Lexus "donated" by a local dealership for the chief's fine work in the "community." He also just got a vote of "no confidence" from the rank and file. He came (IIRC) from Boston and fit right in with the liberal gun ban crowd in South Florida. With any sort of luck he'll go the same way his fellow gun banner from Broward, Ken Jenne, went (handcuffed) and in a shorter period of time.

Funny how all the folks who want to ban our guns all have these really ugly skeletons hidden deep in their closets. Teddy Kennedy had Chappaquidick, Clinton had monica and filegate and white water and .....so on etc. I'll bet chuckie schumer has something rattling around he'd like kept secret.

50 posted on 03/24/2008 9:44:40 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
This Bozo is facing corruption charges for the use of a Lexus "donated" by a local dealership for the chief's fine work in the "community."

JM Lexus?

Does Coral Gables still maintain its own police force, or have they merged with Metro?

51 posted on 03/24/2008 9:50:05 AM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: holymoly
Last year saw the largest number of police officers killed on duty in five years, with 69 shot to death.

And how many were killed with "assault weapons"?

52 posted on 03/24/2008 10:51:37 AM PDT by Redcloak (Yeah... Sure... McCain. Why not.)
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To: Clemenza
Actually the Gables PD is going strong. They merged with the University of Miami PD for mutual support, since the school sits squarely in the middle of Coral Gables, anyway.

There have been some setbacks:

When they got their brand new police station a few years ago, there was a chopper pad on the roof but the building hadn't been stressed to handle the weight of a helo. The indoor firing range failed to install any exhaust fans and the holding cells had an odd tendency to just POP open.

Went thru a slew of Chiefs, too after Skalasky retired. HE was my PE coach when I was in junior high school.

The current chief is doing just so-so I guess but the one prior came from Oklahoma and got a "no confidence" vote within his first 18 months. He also had an embarrassing record for Unintentional Discharges of his duty firearm. Lessee, one time he was in his office's private toilet and capped off a round into the commode which shattered from the Glock M23 40 cal rd. A few weeks later he was at Bally Total Gym and was redressing after his workout. He had left the gun in his gym locker. Trying to reholster he managed to crank off TWO rounds into the locker. I'm told the locker died instantly and all his incidents made the Miami Herald as well as a few more that filtered down from Okalahoma. Eventually he took retirement and was promptly RE-HIRED as a "consultant" at four times his previous salary as Chief! How do I get a job like that? Sheeeeesh. The Gables has had a few murders and some cops killed in recent years so they're no longer regarded as simply "kiddie cops."

53 posted on 03/24/2008 11:53:00 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: holymoly
''Weapons of this nature serve no legitimate sporting or hunting purposes and have no place in our community. Unless Congress acts, the firearms of choice for terrorists, drug dealers, gang members and thugs will be back on our streets where once again our officers will be outgunned by criminals.''

Terrorists, drug dealers, gang members and thugs all prefer semiautomatic weapons that *look like" full auto weapons? I know they aren't the brightest bulbs in the string, for the most part, but they aren't that stupid. And neither are we.

54 posted on 03/24/2008 12:36:10 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Solitar
The Second Amendment was intended for average citizens to keep an bear military-class arms to combat an enemy military. Of course such weapons would then be able to combat a police force gone rogue.

The government would supply weapons to combat an enemy military. The Second Amendment ensures that the people have the means to combat a federal military.

There weren't many police in those days. Just federal marshals, who mostly guarded the judges and served federal warrants. At the local level, there would be an elected sheriff, who would call on the posse comitatus , basically the militia, wearing their civil rather than military hat, as needed.

55 posted on 03/24/2008 12:55:17 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

I think that Bushmaster made a rifle similar to the AR-10 in 7.62 NATO, but I don’t know if they still make them. Laser sights are for mall ninjas.


56 posted on 03/24/2008 3:17:08 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: litehaus

They are getting nervous about Heller vs DC.


57 posted on 03/24/2008 3:19:15 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: holymoly
''By what right does Congress and the President of the United States put at risk the lives of the young men and women who put on those uniforms and those badges?''

Stupid strawman. It's called the Constitution you assclown.

58 posted on 03/24/2008 4:28:37 PM PDT by Sir Gawain (You've heard of the War on Some Drugs? Now it's the War on Some Terror)
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To: holymoly
Here's a great idea! Put some of those liberal judges in jail until they start enforcing the laws on the books and get tough with criminals. You can arm cops with the biggest fire power available but until those judges get tough on criminals, it's NEVER going to change.

IMO, more cops were killed this past year because there are so many illegals from gangs like the MS-13 who have NO respect for our laws and will kill cops in a heartbeat.

59 posted on 03/24/2008 10:28:41 PM PDT by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: Dick Bachert
If HONEST citizens were packing heat, they could probably put these perps down during one of their EARLY crimes

So true, if not but to scare the creep out of them. Thug guns are known to be unloaded an unacceptable amount of the time. (for thugs, even. 6^-)

"Daddy didn't load my gun",
"Momma chose a different ammo, today."
"Don't call my clip no magazine."
"Keep it up and I'm giving the NRA your mailing address."

60 posted on 03/24/2008 10:40:26 PM PDT by budwiesest (I hope we make the best choice this time. We owe it to baby daddy baby.)
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