Posted on 03/18/2008 9:25:56 AM PDT by NinoFan
http://www.cspan.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS
That's actually incorrect. They ruled that they couldn't accept that shotguns were militarily useful weapons without testimonial evidence in the record, so they remanded the case for further hearings which never took place.
They didn't rule that short-barrel shotguns were not military weapons, just that they couldn't arbitrarily accept that they were.
Replace “in addition to” with “separately from”.
And at least on this issue, I think Bush probably wishes they weren't on the Court. The Administration (less Dick Cheney, apparently) has taken a more liberal position than, it seems, some members of the court, including Roberts.
If Bush wanted to do gun owners a favor, the United States would have submitted a brief arguing for strict scrutiny. Instead, we got a limp-wristed "defense" of the Second Amendment from the same President who said he would re-authorize the AWB if it crossed his desk. On this subject, he is no friend to us.
If self-armed civilians are ever mustered into militia service their only means to attain a fighting chance against a government force will be to relieve the military of their weapons and equipment.
“In case anyone wonders, NO, I am not saying I would trade one issue for the other.”
Well, I am willing to stand in the furnace and say that I would. Why, because this country can survive with abortions (as bad as they are) but it cannot survive without the 2nd amendment. Besides, there are other ways to end abortions other than overturning Roe.
Put aside 90 minutes of your time and listen to the entire podcast. (Google for links.) Forget reading the transcript. Hearing is believing - you’ll be amazed by the questions/direction/line of reasoning coming from Kennedy, Ginsberg & Souter.
“Theyve got 40+ years of sophistry tied up in the collective rights argument, and to have their liberal justices agree that there is in individual right will cause heads at the NYT and other left-wing papers to just explode.”
You’ve got that right —and I’d love to see it happen...but at least, given that the NYT’s is selling fewer and fewer papers, there will be plenty of fish-wrap with which to clean up the mess.
Sacrificing animals is not a religious restriction it falls under animal cruelty, equal treatment with those that would just slaughter an animal just for fun.
Permits/licenses on cars and piloting are not a valid argument. There is no right to drive a car or to fly a plane. Also, permits/licenses on firearms is dangerous (just like testing) because they create a privileged citizen and the requirements could be raised to such a point that they would essentially render the 2nd void.
Thank God that the “Assault Weapon Ban” did not get renewed, as he said he would sign it (even though we were told that he was just saying that to get elected AKA pandering).
After reading the transcript I’m cautiously optomistic.
I pray the 2nd Amendment will be correctly be ruled as an individual right and the lower court’s ruling will be upheld.
He is not and has never been a conservative, and this last term has confirmed that. Not saying he wasn't the best of the worst last two times around, but we have to be realistic about things.
From your keyboard to God's ears.
So what really happened? Is this the only hearing or will there be more?
I stand corrected. Thanks for the clarification.
Personally, I think we won the gun ownership is an individual right part.
Now...what the scotus does with that is the question. Does it mean the overturn of the sullivan law, or the brady law or the DC gun ban or the elements of 922C is another story..
Personally, I dont see them giving us machine guns back, but I would be pleased to be proved wrong.
The Fox News newsbabe said on her report tonight that gun control supporters said they believed they lost today. We shall see.
Some encouraging quotes .from the past. Praying that the SCOTUS is being directed, providentially.
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. Thomas Jefferson
Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every Free State. Thomas Jefferson
For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security. Thomas Jefferson
No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. Thomas Jefferson
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson
Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security. Benjamin Franklin
By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail. Benjamin Franklin
Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion... in private self-defense. John Adams
There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty. John Adams
Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth. George Washington
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. George Washington
That one or more Jusstices have read Unintended Consequences and know exactly where this can lead.
Things went well for the good guys. ;)
Basically, if today is any indication (and based on the fact that Justice Kennedy said something like “my view is ____”, it’s reasonable to think that the views will stay more or less the same), one can expect a ruling that declares the 2A an individual right that’s not dependent on militia service. Also expected based on oral argument is the Court declaring the DC handgun ban unconstitutional. ANYTHING besides that is either too ‘iffy’ or out of the scope of what the Court considered today to predict.
There will be plenty of future cases dealing with specific applications of the right, but it does appear that this will be a landmark ruling in favor of liberty.
Gun owners need this to be sure, but infanticide is not acceptable at all. Nations with the blood of innocent children on their hands will not go unpunished by God. IMHO.
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