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Live Replay of SCOTUS Oral Arguments in DC v. Heller (2A case)
C-SPAN ^ | March 18, 2007 | C-SPAN

Posted on 03/18/2008 9:25:56 AM PDT by NinoFan

http://www.cspan.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; dc; guns; heller; parker; scotus
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To: LTCJ
It was. The court ruled (incorrectly) that sawed-off shotguns were not useful military weapons, therefore they were subject to regulation.

That's actually incorrect. They ruled that they couldn't accept that shotguns were militarily useful weapons without testimonial evidence in the record, so they remanded the case for further hearings which never took place.

They didn't rule that short-barrel shotguns were not military weapons, just that they couldn't arbitrarily accept that they were.

401 posted on 03/18/2008 2:42:42 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: NinoFan; LTCJ

Replace “in addition to” with “separately from”.


402 posted on 03/18/2008 2:43:29 PM PDT by NinoFan
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To: Clump
No favors except putting Alito and Roberts on the SCOTUS.

And at least on this issue, I think Bush probably wishes they weren't on the Court. The Administration (less Dick Cheney, apparently) has taken a more liberal position than, it seems, some members of the court, including Roberts.

If Bush wanted to do gun owners a favor, the United States would have submitted a brief arguing for strict scrutiny. Instead, we got a limp-wristed "defense" of the Second Amendment from the same President who said he would re-authorize the AWB if it crossed his desk. On this subject, he is no friend to us.

403 posted on 03/18/2008 2:46:23 PM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: LTCJ

If self-armed civilians are ever mustered into militia service their only means to attain a fighting chance against a government force will be to relieve the military of their weapons and equipment.


404 posted on 03/18/2008 2:47:04 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." FDR)
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To: Clump

“In case anyone wonders, NO, I am not saying I would trade one issue for the other.”

Well, I am willing to stand in the furnace and say that I would. Why, because this country can survive with abortions (as bad as they are) but it cannot survive without the 2nd amendment. Besides, there are other ways to end abortions other than overturning Roe.


405 posted on 03/18/2008 2:48:24 PM PDT by looscnnn (DU is a VD for the brain.)
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To: NVDave

Put aside 90 minutes of your time and listen to the entire podcast. (Google for links.) Forget reading the transcript. Hearing is believing - you’ll be amazed by the questions/direction/line of reasoning coming from Kennedy, Ginsberg & Souter.


406 posted on 03/18/2008 2:52:11 PM PDT by semantic
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To: NVDave

“They’ve got 40+ years of sophistry tied up in the “collective rights” argument, and to have their liberal justices agree that there is in individual right will cause heads at the NYT and other left-wing papers to just explode.”

You’ve got that right —and I’d love to see it happen...but at least, given that the NYT’s is selling fewer and fewer papers, there will be plenty of fish-wrap with which to clean up the mess.


407 posted on 03/18/2008 2:55:46 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper (Stephen Hopkins: Founding Father who had Cerebral Palsy.."My hand trembles, my heart does not.")
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To: DaveLoneRanger
You are in correct about “the classic fire in a crowded theater” example, it is not restricting speech it is defining what is punishable for inciting a riot.

Sacrificing animals is not a religious restriction it falls under animal cruelty, equal treatment with those that would just slaughter an animal just for fun.

Permits/licenses on cars and piloting are not a valid argument. There is no right to drive a car or to fly a plane. Also, permits/licenses on firearms is dangerous (just like testing) because they create a privileged citizen and the requirements could be raised to such a point that they would essentially render the 2nd void.

408 posted on 03/18/2008 2:57:34 PM PDT by looscnnn (DU is a VD for the brain.)
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To: AFPhys

Thank God that the “Assault Weapon Ban” did not get renewed, as he said he would sign it (even though we were told that he was just saying that to get elected AKA pandering).


409 posted on 03/18/2008 3:04:14 PM PDT by looscnnn (DU is a VD for the brain.)
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To: NinoFan

After reading the transcript I’m cautiously optomistic.

I pray the 2nd Amendment will be correctly be ruled as an individual right and the lower court’s ruling will be upheld.


410 posted on 03/18/2008 3:07:31 PM PDT by Lions Gate
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To: Publius Valerius
Bush and those he is loyal to do not want an armed populace.

He is not and has never been a conservative, and this last term has confirmed that. Not saying he wasn't the best of the worst last two times around, but we have to be realistic about things.

412 posted on 03/18/2008 3:22:17 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: NVDave
They’ve got 40+ years of sophistry tied up in the “collective rights” argument, and to have their liberal justices agree that there is in individual right will cause heads at the NYT and other left-wing papers to just explode.

From your keyboard to God's ears.

413 posted on 03/18/2008 3:24:28 PM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: NinoFan
Someone tell me a true review of what happened? I mean, it sounds from the comments that things went well for the 2nd amendment today, but a liberal coworker said the opposite (basically she expects all guns to be banned by next year), and that she had read it on some blog site that was following CSPAN also.

So what really happened? Is this the only hearing or will there be more?

414 posted on 03/18/2008 3:29:05 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: mvpel

I stand corrected. Thanks for the clarification.


415 posted on 03/18/2008 3:34:13 PM PDT by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution)
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To: redgolum

Personally, I think we won the gun ownership is an individual right part.

Now...what the scotus does with that is the question. Does it mean the overturn of the sullivan law, or the brady law or the DC gun ban or the elements of 922C is another story..

Personally, I dont see them giving us machine guns back, but I would be pleased to be proved wrong.

The Fox News newsbabe said on her report tonight that gun control supporters said they believed they lost today. We shall see.


416 posted on 03/18/2008 3:34:50 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Chuin, Master of Sinanju (emeritus))
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To: kinsman redeemer
An amazing day, I wonder what John Ross and Henry Bowman would have to say.

Some encouraging quotes….from the past. Praying that the SCOTUS is being directed, providentially.

•  A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. Thomas Jefferson

•  Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every Free State. Thomas Jefferson

•  For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security. Thomas Jefferson

•  No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson

•  The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. Thomas Jefferson

•  The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson

•  Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security. Benjamin Franklin

•  By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail. Benjamin Franklin

•  Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion... in private self-defense. John Adams

•  There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty. John Adams

•  Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth. George Washington

•  Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. George Washington

417 posted on 03/18/2008 3:39:41 PM PDT by Lettuce-defend-Her (No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms...Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Lettuce-defend-Her
An amazing day, I wonder what John Ross and Henry Bowman would have to say.

That one or more Jusstices have read Unintended Consequences and know exactly where this can lead.

418 posted on 03/18/2008 3:44:43 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (su - | echo "All your " | chown -740 us ./base | kill -9 | cd / | rm -r | echo "belong to us")
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To: redgolum

Things went well for the good guys. ;)

Basically, if today is any indication (and based on the fact that Justice Kennedy said something like “my view is ____”, it’s reasonable to think that the views will stay more or less the same), one can expect a ruling that declares the 2A an individual right that’s not dependent on militia service. Also expected based on oral argument is the Court declaring the DC handgun ban unconstitutional. ANYTHING besides that is either too ‘iffy’ or out of the scope of what the Court considered today to predict.

There will be plenty of future cases dealing with specific applications of the right, but it does appear that this will be a landmark ruling in favor of liberty.


419 posted on 03/18/2008 3:45:29 PM PDT by NinoFan
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To: looscnnn

Gun owners need this to be sure, but infanticide is not acceptable at all. Nations with the blood of innocent children on their hands will not go unpunished by God. IMHO.


420 posted on 03/18/2008 3:46:14 PM PDT by Clump (Your family may not be safe, but at least their library records will be.)
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