Posted on 03/07/2008 6:28:00 AM PST by Esther Ruth
The Temple Institute is Pleased to Announce that Production of 120 Sets of Linen Garments for Lay Priests is Presently Underway
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 1,938 years the linen garments of the lay priests are being produced in preparation for the rebuilding of the Holy Temple and the renewal of the Divine service. The last priestly garments to have been worn were those worn by the priests who were martyred by the Roman legions who brutally invaded and destroyed the Holy Temple on the ninth day of the month of Av, in the year 70 CE. THE TEMPLE INSTITUTE HAS SPARED NO EFFORT in procuring the necessary materials for the performing of this Torah commandment, and once again has enlisted 21st century technology in order to do so in a manner befitting the Torah injunction that these priestly garments be "both dignified and beautiful". (Exodus 28:40)
SPECIALLY PREPARED FLAXEN THREAD, wound into six-ply strands, according to the Torah prescribed requirement, ("twined linen - shesh mushzar"), has been imported from India. These individual spools of thread are presently being spun into larger 1.7 meter long spindles in order to accomodate the next step: the weaving of bolts of fabric 1.7 meters wide. Before commencing this process, (known in Hebrew as hashtayah), of creating the 1.7 meter spindles, Rabbi Yisrael Ariel, founder of the Temple Institute made the traditional shechechiyanu blessing expressing gratitute to G-d " ...for keeping us alive and preserving us and permitting us to behold this day." In addition, before every step of the manufacturing process, a special statement of intent must be uttered in Hebrew: "L'shem mitzvat assei assiyat bigdei hakehuna: for the sake of the positive commandment to make the priestly garments."
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Trouble is there is zero historical witness for the early date theory. nada. There is historical witness for the 95 date under the reign of Domitian. I’ll take the word of the people 1800 years closer in time.
I suspect something is in the wings waiting for that.
Good for you...
There is none so blind as the one who does not see the finished work of Christ, the true priest-king of Israel.
The trouble with your comment is that it historically inaccurate. There is no one from 1800 years ago who placed the date of Revelation at AD95. There is no eyewitness to testify to the exact date. The church historian Eusebius (AD300)uses a fragment of one of the writings of Irenaeus to make his claim of AD95. Everyone else has assumed the work of Eusebius to be true.
I suggest you read Before Jerusalem Fell: Dating the Book of Revelation by Ken Gentry.
“Revelation was written about 35 AFTER the temple was destroyed.”
There’s a great book you might want to read: “Before Jerusalem Fell” by Ken Gentry. The vast majority of evidence points to an early dating of Revelation. The “late date” theory is actually based on one obscure statement made by an early church father, and even that is very flimsy evidence because it’s contradicted by the same person who made it.
Looks like you beat me to it.
Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which (A)God gave Him to (B)show to His bond-servants, (C)the things which must soon take place ; and He sent and communicated it (D)by His angel to His bond-servant (E)John
Rev 1:3 for the time is near
How do the late daters deal with this stuff. I thought the disp prems were literal interpreters??
No, the vast majority of speculation trys to argue an early date. I have seen this "evidence" and it is weak. Both Clement and Irenaeus document the later date and their observations are supplemented by Eusebius. Further, Romans historians never refer to Christians being exiled on Patmos prior to Domitian. Thus, the historical record of contemporary recordation supports only the late date theory.
Babe Ruth was just a candy bar.
You consider the obscure statement by Irenaeus “strong evidence”?
Somehow his other statement he made in the same writing where he writes about “ancient copies” of Revelation went overlooked by all the late daters.
BTW, do you have any idea how long it took back then to make even one copy? That would also make John in his 90s when he supposedly wrote it, or perhaps you think it was written by another John?
Sorry, but the late date argument is based on one obscure statement by Irenaeus that’s very weak as far as the external evidence and there’s no internal evidence to support the late date at all.
Sometimes I think the main reason people buy the late date argument and belief that the state of Israel is a sign of the “last days” is the desire to believe a rapture will occur in our lifetime. I mean who wouldn’t rather meet Christ in the air than having to take the subterranean route to meet Him. But finding truth should be our priority.
What makes this statement any more "obscure" than any other statement by Irenaeus or any other early Church father by the way? Irenaeus is very clear in stating John's imprisonment occured on Patmos "in my own lifetime, at the end of Domitian's reign". This is very consistent with both the internal text and with the practice at that time of using the reigns of the Roman emporers to date events. Eusebius cites this and also says there is "ample evidence" John was imprisoned during the reign of Domitian. This makes historical sense because there is no evidence that Nero, Vespasian or Titus ever banished anyone to Patmos. None. If Revelation was written early the author would have been banished there by one of these Emperors (or Caesars if you like) but there is zero evidence to support anything of the kind. The persecutions of Nero were confined almost exclusively to Rome and it's surrounding area.
The only significant mention of the island of Patmos in all of ancient writing is the fact that Domitian, during the Christian persecutions, banishish people there to be slaves. So the ojective historic evidence compells the conclusion that John wrote Revelation on the island of Patmos during the reign of Domitian, somewhere between 91-95 AD.
In the quote from Iraneus above I left off the word “almost” at the beginning. It should read “almost in my lifetime.....”
Israel is a long sought after dream come true.
For two thousand years every Jew would proclaim, “Next year in Jerusalem”
The little Jew. The little people, the wandering Jew.
Israel is a miracle. She has literally risen from the ashes.
There is no other way to look at the birth of a nation in one day.
Can you imagine if the UN took another vote, she doesn’t make it in, too late she is here to stay.
God Bless Israel.
Thus a shame it doesn’t protect itself and its people any more than it does.
Was Irenaeus supposedly referring to Domitian or Domitius (Nero)? Did he mean “it” was scene or “he” (John) was seen in their own lifetime? Who knows? It was reported third hand by Eusebius in AD 325 anyway; yet so many hold to the late date even though that’s all they’ve got to go on.
The oldest earliest Syriac version of Revelation, the book starts with “The Revelation which was made by God to John the evangelist in the island of Patmos, into which he was thrown by Nero Caesar.”
Again, Irenaeus in “Against Heresies” mentioned “ancient copies” of Revelation. Domitian’s reign ended only shortly before Irenaeus’ own time.
As far as the internal evidence, John wrote to the seven churches. The ONLY period of time where there were only seven churches in Asia was during the few years from the early 60s AD to the Jewish war.
In Rev 10:11, John was told that he “must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings”.
When he was in his 90s?? That’s a pretty tough job assignment, especially when John could barely walk and was last seen being carried into church in the ‘90s.
Again, there is NO INTERNAL EVIDENCE pointing towards a late date. From both external and internal evidence, an early date is the only option.
Historical revisionism. The groundwork for the establishment of the secular state of Israel began with Balfour Declaration of 1917. There is no miracle here, it is all pure human effort. True miracles are things like the resurrection of Christ, not political gamesmenship.
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