Skip to comments.SO MUCH FOR “PARTY DISCIPLINE”
Posted on 03/06/2008 7:59:04 AM PST by jdm
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More popcorn anyone?
“Of course theyre trying to change the rules in the middle of the race.”
Rules? In knife fight? No rules.
They have to be seated within the rules, Dean said on GMA. What you cannot do is change the rules in the middle of the contest.
Except in Florida during a presidential election in 2000.
This statement is so laughable, considering that is exactly what the Dems tried to do in the 2000 election to steal it for Gore.
Heard a good quote on Medved yeterday.paraphrsing here.
If you think the democratic primary is a nightmare you now see what universal healthcare under a democrat would look like.
>> So if theres anything it would have to be a caucus
Ah, the ol’ unintended consequences thing rears its head.
a) Hillary pounds on the table for the delegates to be counted, but
b) a “fairness” issue with giving Hillary delegates from bogus elections is perceived, so
c) a do-over is mandated, but
d) The “unfairness” issue of taxpayers picking up the tab is recognized, however
e) a primary election MUST be taxpayer-funded, so
f) caucuses are seen as the way out, therefore
g) caucuses are held, which
h) Obama wins (as usual).
Roll over Rube Goldberg! You’ve met your match in the Donkees.
And they want to run the country?
Per WTKK talk this AM, Hillary’s lawyers are preparing to file suit to redo the FL and MI primaries and have them count for her. I LOVE the smell of psychotic liberals in the morning!
Oh, is that what the "D" after his name means?
[Thanks again, GAgal, for the link to this topic. The northeast’s Teflon Dean will probably survive this, but I’m only saying this because I’ve predicted wrong things about that a-hole in the past, and superstitiously hope the opposite will happen as a result of my prediction. :’)]
[snip] the Democratic National Committee, in what might be termed a fit of pique, took away all of those states’ delegates as a result of their violation of primary scheduling rules (while also preventing candidates from campaigning in those states)... The Republicans, also seeking to get control of the primary process, took away half the delegates from Florida, Michigan, South Carolina, Wyoming, and New Hampshire - also as a result of their violations of primary scheduling rules. They also allowed full participation by all candidates in those primaries... With Hillary Clinton desperate for delegates and the Michigan and Florida state parties still seething, a push is now underway to either seat delegates who were chosen during the illegal primaries by forcing a showdown at the convention with the credentials committee or hold some kind of “re-vote” with the blessing of the DNC that would allow full delegate participation in the convention from those two states... Dean’s statement implies that he has no intention of changing the rules to accommodate any solution proposed by the candidates or the state parties... In other words, the ruling last November that disenfranchised Michigan and Florida really doesn’t count. If the two states want representation at the convention, all they have to do is submit a plan to the DNC on how they wish to choose the delegates and they will sanction it. So much for party discipline... Why not stick to your guns and enforce the original decision? And if that decision was wrong - and supporters of both candidates believe it was - Dean should resign and allow his successor to clean up the mess. Paying for do-over primaries in both states would be an expensive proposition. A primary in Michigan would cost taxpayers... Karen Thurman, the chair of the Florida Democratic Party, issued a statement late Wednesday that seemed to discount the possibility of a second primary... “At this time, no suggested alternative process has been able to meet three specific and necessary requirements... including [enfranchising] our military service members [a half-dozen or so remain staunch Democrats] serving in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere.” ...[Michigan Governor] Granholm made it clear her first choice would be to find a way to seat the delegates from the January 15 Michigan primary, but acknowledged the fact that Barack Obama was not on the ballot creates a fairness issue. “It could not be a primary because a primary is publicly paid for, and the taxpayers would not spend any more tax dollars on a primary. So if there’s anything it would have to be a caucus, but we’d have to have a way to pay for it without taxpayer dollars.” ...The Michigan Democratic party is up for a do-over primary but the governor won’t allow it. The Florida Democrats want the result of their original primary accepted and can see no alternative primary or caucus scenario... Dean’s “solution” is useless. No money - no primary... If the national party prevails in the credentials committee (which is almost guaranteed), they will make 6 million Democratic voters in Florida and Michigan very unhappy. If Clinton were to somehow win the day and have those delegates seated, how many millions of unhappy Obama supporters will there be? A Hobbesian choice to be sure. And one for which Howard Dean is completely responsible... “They have to be seated within the rules,” Dean said on “GMA.” “What you cannot do is change the rules in the middle of the contest.” Of course they’re trying to change the rules in the middle of the race. That’s because the DNC ruled originally that the states were ineligible! And if they can’t change that rule why are we even bothering with all of this? [unsnip]
It's funny that the DNC sought to punish FL and MI because they wanted a bigger and earlier say in the primary process. Now, their exclusion has put them in a position to be king-makers due to the close heat. If these states play their cards right, they can come out of this with a lot of "beholdings" from the winning rat...
BRING ON THE POPCORN! THIS IS BETTER THAN A NIGHT AT THE FIGHTS!
Yes, more popcorn. With butter thanks.
This is so beyond good it’s flat out fun now. Both states pretty much are now poised to be put in the corner and told to rerun their primaries or do a caucus.
It’s not going to most likely be decisive but it’s going to cost both candidates a lot of money.
But that hasn’t stopped Shrillary from declaring her “victories” in both Michigan and Florida.
Crist, the gov in Florida has already offered to support another primary. What a guy! Don’t see how Michigan can refuse to do likewise after all the yelling.
Hillary lost 45% of the vote to nobody there. You gotta love it.
I believe I read that Obama has said he’d like to means test social security. If so, I hope retirement communities througout FL stock up on defibrillators, because Hillary will flood the state with ads featuring Barack promising that.
Yup. A dunce licensed to practice medicine. Now that's scary.
Democratic Debacle (1964 convention, repercussions today)
America Heritage | July 2004 (cover date) | Joshua Zeitz
Posted on 07/28/2004 12:59:49 AM EDT by SunkenCiv
If they have a redo in Michigan, all that voted Republican should claim that the only reason they voted Republican was because there was no Democrat contest. Besides, if they are going to use my tax dollars to do this then I ought to be able to vote.
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