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BBC: Sea reptile is biggest on record ( measured 15m (50ft) from nose to tail - alligator jaws)
BBC ^ | Wednesday, 27 February 2008, 00:54 GMT | Paul Rincon Science reporter, BBC News

Posted on 02/27/2008 9:26:47 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

By Paul Rincon


Science reporter, BBC News


Pliosaur (Tor Sponga, BT)


A fossilised "sea monster" unearthed on an Arctic island is the largest marine reptile known to science, Norwegian scientists have announced.

The 150 million-year-old specimen was found on Spitspergen, in the Arctic island chain of Svalbard, in 2006.

The Jurassic-era leviathan is one of 40 sea reptiles from a fossil "treasure trove" uncovered on the island.

Nicknamed "The Monster", the immense creature would have measured 15m (50ft) from nose to tail.

A large pliosaur was big enough to pick up a small car in its jaws and bite it in half

Richard Forrest, plesiosaur palaeontologist

And during the last field expedition, scientists discovered the remains of another so-called pliosaur which is thought to belong to the same species as The Monster - and may have been just as colossal.

The expedition's director Dr Jorn Hurum, from the University of Oslo Natural History Museum, said the Svalbard specimen is 20% larger than the previous biggest marine reptile - another massive pliosaur from Australia called Kronosaurus.

"We have carried out a search of the literature, so we now know that we have the biggest [pliosaur]. It's not just arm-waving anymore," Dr Hurum told the BBC News website.

"The flipper is 3m long with very few parts missing. On Monday, we assembled all the bones in our basement and we amazed ourselves - we had never seen it together before."

Young girl beside pliosaur flipper (J. Hurum)
The Monster's flipper alone measures 3m in length


Pliosaurs were a short-necked form of plesiosaur, a group of extinct reptiles that lived in the world's oceans during the age of the dinosaurs.

A pliosaur's body was tear drop-shaped with two sets of powerful flippers which it used to propel itself through the water.

"These animals were awesomely powerful predators," said plesiosaur palaeontologist Richard Forrest.

A second large pliosaur has now been found on the Arctic island


"If you compare the skull of a large pliosaur to a crocodile, it is very clear it is much better built for biting... by comparison with a crocodile, you have something like three or four times the cross-sectional space for muscles. So you have much bigger, more powerful muscles and huge, robust jaws.

"A large pliosaur was big enough to pick up a small car in its jaws and bite it in half."

"There are a few isolated bones of huge pliosaurs already known but this is the first find of a significant portion of a whole skeleton of such a giant," said Angela Milner, associate keeper of palaeontology at London's Natural History Museum

"It will undoubtedly add much to our knowledge of these top marine predators. Pliosaurs were reptiles and they were almost certainly not warm-blooded so this discovery is also a good demonstration of plate tectonics and ancient climates.

Lena Kristiansen prepares specimens in the Natural History Museum, University of Oslo.


"One hundred and fifty million years ago, Svalbard was not so near the North Pole, there was no ice cap and the climate was much warmer than it is today."

The Monster was excavated in August 2007 and taken to the Natural History Museum in Oslo. Team members had to remove hundreds of tonnes of rock by hand in high winds, fog, rain, freezing temperatures and with the constant threat of attack by polar bears.

They recovered the animal's snout, some teeth, much of the neck and back, the shoulder girdle and a nearly complete flipper.

Unfortunately, there was a small river running through where the head lay, so much of the skull had been washed away.

A preliminary analysis of the bones suggests this beast belongs to a previously unknown species.

Unprecedented haul

The researchers plan to return to Svalbard later this year to excavate the new pliosaur.

A few skull pieces, broken teeth and vertebrae from this second large specimen are already exposed and plenty more may be waiting to be excavated.

"It's a large one, and has the same bone structure as the previous one we found," said Espen Knutsen, from Oslo's Natural History Museum, who is studying the fossils.

Artist's impression of long-necked plesiosaur (Tor Sponga, BT)

Excavations have also yielded long-necked plesiosaurs


Dr Hurum and his colleagues have now identified a total of 40 marine reptiles from Svalbard. The haul includes many long-necked plesiosaurs and ichthyosaurs in addition to the two pliosaurs.

Long-necked plesiosaurs are said to fit descriptions of Scotland's mythical Loch Ness monster. Ichthyosaurs bore a passing resemblance to modern dolphins, but they used an upright tail fin to propel themselves through the water.

Richard Forrest commented: "Here in Svalbard you have 40 specimens just lying around, which is like nothing we know.

Exacavation at the Monster site
The 2007 fieldwork took place in challenging conditions

"Even in classic fossil exposures such as you have in Dorset [in England], there are cliffs eroding over many years and every so often something pops up. But we haven't had 40 plesiosaurs from Dorset in 200 years."

The fossils were found in a fine-grained sedimentary rock called black shale. When the animals died, they sank to the bottom of a cold, shallow Jurassic sea and were covered over by mud. The oxygen-free, alkaline chemistry of the mud may explain the fossils' remarkable preservation, said Dr Hurum.

The discovery of another large pliosaur was announced in 2002. Known as the "Monster of Aramberri" after the site in north-eastern Mexico where it was dug up, the creature could be just as big as the Svalbard specimen, according to the team that found it.

But palaeontologists told the BBC a much more detailed analysis of these fossils was required before a true picture of its size could be obtained.


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KEYWORDS: arctic; catastrophism; godsgravesglyphs; monster; plesiosaur; remains; reptile
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1 posted on 02/27/2008 9:26:54 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Hillary's crock tears are bigger.
2 posted on 02/27/2008 9:28:40 AM PST by bmwcyle (I am the watchman on the tower sounding the alarm.)
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To: NormsRevenge; blam; SunkenCiv
Earlier thread:

'Monster' Arctic reptile remains found
AP on Yahoo ^ | 12/4/07 | AP

3 posted on 02/27/2008 9:29:04 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Cool.


4 posted on 02/27/2008 9:29:19 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’d hate to have to pay the food bill for one of them. That is one darn big critter.


5 posted on 02/27/2008 9:29:48 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’d hate to be the taxidermist for this.


6 posted on 02/27/2008 9:31:02 AM PST by Pistolshot (Remember, no matter how bad your life is, someone is watching and enjoying your suffering.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

and backm in 2006

more than a year ago..

Remains of Ancient Reptile Are Found [size of a bus] ^
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1714245/posts
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On News/Activism ^ 10/05/2006 8:36:14 AM PDT · 20 replies · 867+ views

MyWay via Drudge ^ | Oct 5, 7:59 AM (ET | Not attributed
OSLO, Norway (AP) - Researchers on Thursday announced the discovery of the remains of a short-necked plesiosaur, a prehistoric marine reptile the size of a bus, that they believe is the first complete skeleton ever found. The 150 million year old remains of the 33-foot ocean going predator were found in August on the remote Svalbard Islands of the Arctic, the University of Oslo announced. Fragments of plesiosaur have been found elsewhere, including in England, Russia, and Argentina, but researcher Joern Harald Hurum said the partially fossilized Svalbard find appeared to be the first whole example. “We are quite sure...

‘Monster’ fossil find in Arctic (First complete pliosaur and ichthyosaur skeletons ever found) ^
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1714208/posts
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On News/Activism ^ 10/05/2006 8:03:56 AM PDT · 31 replies · 1,268+ views

BBC ^ | October 5, 2006 | Paul Rincon
Norwegian scientists have discovered a “treasure trove” of fossils belonging to giant sea reptiles that roamed the seas at the time of the dinosaurs. The 150 million-year-old fossils were uncovered on the Arctic island chain of Svalbard - about halfway between the Norwegian mainland and the North Pole. The finds belong to two groups of extinct marine reptiles - the plesiosaurs and the ichthyosaurs. One skeleton has been nicknamed The Monster because of its enormous size. These animals were the top predators living in what was then a relatively cool, deep sea. Palaeontologists from the University of Oslo’s Natural History...


7 posted on 02/27/2008 9:31:22 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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Capturing the missing image:

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'Monster' fossil find in Arctic

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8 posted on 02/27/2008 9:34:44 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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9 posted on 02/27/2008 9:36:21 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: NormsRevenge

I like the pictures....see just above.....they mention Loch Ness Monster.....


10 posted on 02/27/2008 9:36:24 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
BBC: Sea reptile is biggest on record
11 posted on 02/27/2008 9:39:43 AM PST by exile ("Get off my phone, ya big dope"- The Great One)
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crypto ping


12 posted on 02/27/2008 9:43:34 AM PST by Archangel86
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To: All
Kronosaurus
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13 posted on 02/27/2008 9:44:31 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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14 posted on 02/27/2008 10:07:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/___________________Profile updated Tuesday, February 19, 2008)
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Scientists say Arctic once was tropical
Associated Press | May 31, 2006 | Seth Borenstein
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15 posted on 02/27/2008 10:10:18 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/___________________Profile updated Tuesday, February 19, 2008)
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16 posted on 02/27/2008 10:14:49 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/___________________Profile updated Tuesday, February 19, 2008)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

...and people don’t believe there were dragons. Oh, there were, alright.


17 posted on 02/27/2008 10:17:22 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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These guys would qualify as dragons....so maybe there was mankind around to actually see them....Greeks seem to have known about dragons....


18 posted on 02/27/2008 10:38:42 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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"Nicknamed "The Monster",

How original. Thanks, Ernest.

19 posted on 02/27/2008 10:41:37 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The First Fossil Hunters The First Fossil Hunters
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20 posted on 02/27/2008 11:01:30 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/___________________Profile updated Tuesday, February 19, 2008)
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